Can we finally call Matt Leinart are complete bust?

[samikeyp]

Carson Palmer was a terrific quarterback prior to the malicious take down at the evil hands of Kimo Von Olhafen. And he's still a good quarterback. The problem in Cincinnati is that the rest of the offense sucks and he's forced to carry the whole unit on his back.

+1

Mike Brown in the front office doesn't help either.

[bresilhac]

its pretty simple.

1) Leinart is behind Kurt Warner...Warner is one of the best QBs in the league

2) Leinart lost his job when he became injured...he's played about a year

3) KenW said St. Pierre would get a shot at backup...whats surprising about that...compe ion in the NFL? shoot, thats not fair...wait, or is it

...we will see what happens when Leinart gets a shot on another team or Warner gets retired/hurt. only then is it fair to make a judgment...he has basically had his rookie year and thats it...not much of a barometer.

aside from that...

1) carson palmer (pretty good till he got hurt)

2) Matt Cassel (good last year, we'll see going forward)

3) Mark Sanchez (we'll see)

4) John David Booty (maybe not much we'll see)

5) Matt Leinart (we'll see)

finally, considering there are 32 teams in the NFL and close to 250 division 1 and 1aa football schools, with few starting QB jobs available...its great when any player from any school does well. there aren't many great QBs in the league...1 from a school is more than their share. Palmer and Cassel is far more than any schools share. is there any school with more than 3 starting QBs in the NFL? thats where USC is.

think first...

Good post. Most people scream bust for no other reason than they simply do not like that player or the school he came from. But as you say, Linehart simply has been competing with one of the great quarterbacks of our time. And has failed miserably at it and who can blame him? He'll get his shot eventually when Warner leaves the scene. Then we'll really see what kind of a quarterback he is. Want an example of a true bust? Try Vince Young.

[samikeyp]

Good post. Most people scream bust for no other reason than they simply do not like that player or the school he came from. But as you say, Linehart simply has been competing with one of the great quarterbacks of our time. And has failed miserably at it and who can blame him? He'll get his shot eventually when Warner leaves the scene. Then we'll really see what kind of a quarterback he is. Want an example of a true bust? Try Vince Young.

Like that?

IMO, Young left school too early and so far has been a bust. I also think, like Leinart, there is still time.



Bres....As far as Palmer, would you take him over Campbell right now?

[bresilhac]

Like that?

IMO, Young left school too early and so far has been a bust. I also think, like Leinart, there is still time.



Bres....As far as Palmer, would you take him over Campbell right now?

Are you kidding me samikeyp? In a heartbeat. Palmer's skillset is way superior to JC's at this point in their careers. Plus Palmer has a command of the field and true leadership ability that JC has never possessed. Will it ever come to pass? It seems doubtful. But one can imagine what it would be like.

[samikeyp]

Are you kidding me samikeyp? In a heartbeat. Palmer's skillset is way superior to JC's at this point in their careers. Plus Palmer has a command of the field and true leadership ability that JC has never possessed. Will it ever come to pass? It seems doubtful. But one can imagine what it would be like.

I agree totally. I would take him over Romo just as fast.

[bresilhac]

I agree totally. I would take him over Romo just as fast.

Interesting.

[samikeyp]

Interesting.

Palmer has proved he can win in December. If he doesn't go down against Pittsburgh that post-season, they probably win that game.

[bresilhac]

Palmer has proved he can win in December. If he doesn't go down against Pittsburgh that post-season, they probably win that game.

Exactly my point. And I see where you're going with the December comment. Tony Romo has yet to prove that he can win a big December game. Let alone a playoff game. That guy is really snake bitten.

[samikeyp]

Exactly my point. And I see where you're going with the December comment. Tony Romo has yet to prove that he can win a big December game. Let alone a playoff game. That guy is really snake bitten.

Yep. There are 2 games that Romo has won that could be remotely called big.

The Packers game in 08 (the two best in the NFC at the time, HFA on the line)

The Giants game last season (needed to win to stay alive in playoff chase)

Problem is, instead of those games being stepping stones to better results, they were the peak. Romo didn't do it all by himself but as the QB he gets credit and blame, deserved or not.

[IronMexican]

You'd be crazy not to take Palmer over Romo.

[JoshO501]

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/200...-training-camp

We heard over the summer that one of Chris Miller's (QB coach) goals was to improve Matt Leinart's footwork and so far the results have been favorable. Leinart's passes have had much more zip on them than in year's past and it's also made him a more accurate passer. Several reports list Leinart as having the best camp of his young career and that he's shown improvement in every area, including standing in the pocket against a pass rush.

[samikeyp]

You'd be crazy not to take Palmer over Romo.

Yeah but you would say that even if Romo had won 3 super bowls and Palmer was a third stringer for the Hamilton Tiger Cats.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Yeah but you would say that even if Romo had won 3 super bowls and Palmer was a third stringer for the Hamilton Tiger Cats.

The Hamilton Tiger Cats are a great franchise.

[samikeyp]

The Hamilton Tiger Cats are a great franchise.

To be sure. They are my favorite CFL team.

[IronMexican]

Palmer is the better QB. Romo might have the better team that makes him look better. But, Palmer is still the better QB. before that 2006 playoff game, he was on pace to have a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady career. Shame.

[samikeyp]

Palmer is the better QB. Romo might have the better team that makes him look better. But, Palmer is still the better QB. before that 2006 playoff game, he was on pace to have a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady career. Shame.

So far I agree...but I was still right.

[PaulGreco]

Hey Iron,

Not to be argumentative, but why? If you look at their first three years -- as starters -- (Romo didn't play is first year), they are very--scary--similar

Palmer : 3589 yds per season - 26 TD's - 14 INT's
Romo : 3520 yds pers season - 27 TD's - 15 INT's

Palmer has never won a playoff game. As a matter of fact the only year the Jailgels made it to the playoff under Palmer was 2005 and they lost in the first round.

So, I ask you once again, how can you make this statement, with nothing to back it up except...I say so

You'd be crazy not to take Palmer over Romo.

Now, I stated earlier I'm a J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS fan, but I'm also a Cowboy fan. When you say you'd rather have Palmer then Romo because he's never won in December or playoff game, again I point out the similarities between the two:

Palmer from 2005-2007 in December : 8-6
Romo from 2006-2008 in December : 5-8

Let me throw this out you too, since I did the research. In Dec., the Jailngls opponents records at the end of the year (2005-2007) was 87-121 or 41%.

On the other hand, Romo's opponents in Dec., (2006-2008) was 113-94 or 54%. Last season alone their opponents were a combined 44-19-1.

Does that mean anything? Maybe, it's up to you to judge I guess. But the stats show that Romo has had a more difficult task each Dec compared to Palmer.

Just my 2 cents though.

--PG

[IronMexican]

Did Palmer ever get to play for the Cowboys? They have one of the best lines in NFL. Cincy are run by morons. Who lets go of their starting tackle? And the Steelers wouldn't have beaten the Bengals had Palmer not been taken out. He showed you what he could do in just one play.

[dirk4mvp]

Palmer when healthy is easily top 5, Romo isn't.

[PaulGreco]

Palmer when healthy is easily top 5, Romo isn't.

Based on what? If their numbers are similar how can you state that. I can easily say that the reason why Palmer's numbers are so inflated is because he has to play from behind more, allowing him to air out the ball in the 4th quarter, but that's not the case because Romo's numbers are better than Palmers in the 4th quarter.

Over Palmer's last 3 years he's attempted and average of 134 passes completed 80 for 60.6%, 6.6 TD's and 4.6 INT's

Romo on the on the other hand averaged 102 passed (32 less than Palmers), 66 completed for 64.7%m 7.6 TD's and 3.6 INT's.

A much better QB in the 4th than Palmer.

I can understand your "GUT" feeling, but the numbers just don't represent your stance. I'm sorry.

If Palmer's numbers were better, by a big margain, than I would say yes. Palmer had #85 when he was good and WHOSURMAMA as wide receivers. Romo's had TO and Witten a TE.

Cincy are run by morons. Who lets go of their starting tackle?

MEX -100% agree pal.

--PG

[IronMexican]

Romo has also always had a very good run game.

[dirk4mvp]

PaulGreco, what does your top 10 qbs look like?

[IronMexican]

PaulGreco, what does your top 10 qbs look like?

I'll throw mine out there:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Donovan McNabb
4. Drew Brees
5. Kurt Warner
6. Carson Palmer
7. Jay Cutler
8. Phillip Rivers
9. Big Ben
10. Romo

[dirk4mvp]

If Palmer's numbers were better, by a big margain, than I would say yes. Palmer had #85 when he was good and WHOSURMAMA as wide receivers. Romo's had TO and Witten a TE.



--PG

I know you're not trying to tear down Palmer and prop up Romo. by comparing their receivers. TO's one of the most productive players in history and Witten is pretty much the best TE in the league. And like the Messican said, it's lopsided when you look at lines and the running game.

[gaKNOW!blee]

I'll throw mine out there:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Donovan McNabb
4. Drew Brees
5. Kurt Warner
6. Carson Palmer
7. Jay Cutler
8. Phillip Rivers
9. Big Ben
10. Romo

After the year they had last year you still put Cutler ahead of Rivers?