Pick the best right now: Tim vs Dirk

[Findog]

Besides, as much as i love Dirk, Duncan in a wheelchair probably has more impact on a game defensively than Dirk has even when fully healthy.

Do you guys ever watch basketball? Dirk is NOT a bad defender. Bill Russell in his prime? No way, but he is NOT an active defensive liability.

[hater]

If u take Spur and Mav fans out of this poll the real total is

Dirk: 14

Duncan: 4

but we all knew Duncan was gonna win

If you really wanna be fair, take the lakerfans out of this poll.

Final score:
Dirk: 1
Duncan: 4

[monosylab1k]

I dunno, Gana Diop & Ryan Hollins owned Tim Duncan pretty hard, and both of those guys are ruh s.

And Dirk is not a good defender or even an average defender. He's a below average defender but not an atrociously bad defender. He's not "Dirk in 2003" bad or Amare bad.

[BUMP]

If you really wanna be fair, take the lakerfans out of this poll.

Final score:
Dirk: 1
Duncan: 4

SpurFan tries to find every technicality in the book. You guys would all make interesting lawyers.

Right now offensively Dirk>>>>>TD

and defensively Duncan gets a slight edge, he's really not that great anymore on that side let's be honest here. he gets by on reputation alone. Brandon Bass Barkley and Ryan "Unseld" Hollins dunking on Tim proves my logic right again

[hater]

SpurFan tries to find every technicality in the book. You guys would all make interesting lawyers.

Right now offensively Dirk>>>>>TD

and defensively Duncan gets a slight edge, he's really not that great anymore on that side let's be honest here. he gets by on reputation alone. Brandon Bass Barkley and Ryan "Unseld" Hollins dunking on Tim proves my logic right again

Even with that taken into consideration. the truth is:

- you pick Duncan and you immediately have a solid backcourt, a solid foundation for a team.
- you pick Dirk, you have instant offense but a hole in the backcourt the size of Dirks fiancee's vagina.

building a team around Duncan over Dirk is still the choice of 90% of GMs.

[BUMP]

Even with that taken into consideration. the truth is:

- you pick Duncan and you immediately have a solid backcourt, a solid foundation for a team.
- you pick Dirk, you have instant offense but a hole in the backcourt the size of Dirks fiancee's vagina.

building a team around Duncan over Dirk is still the choice of 99% of GMs.

We're talking about the best right now though. Earlier in Tim's day its a no brainer. But now he's a lot older, injury prone, and has some stamina issues. He doesn't have the ability to take over the game like Dirk can. He can do it occasionally when he gets hot. In game 3, when the Mavs were on their way to a route, he had a mere 4 points. I can't see Dirk going out like that.

[Summers]

I dunno, Gana Diop & Ryan Hollins owned Tim Duncan pretty hard, and both of those guys are ruh s.

And Dirk is not a good defender or even an average defender. He's a below average defender but not an atrociously bad defender. He's not "Dirk in 2003" bad or Amare bad.

One great dunk does not equal ownage, especially when they were the only 2 points he scored that night. Great players get dunked on. It happens when they play defense.

[BUMP]

One great dunk does not equal ownage, especially when they were the only 2 points he scored that night. Great players get dunked on. It happens when they play defense.

Yeah because shutting down the dynamic duo of Erick Dampier and Ryan Hollins was the Spurs priority

[Findog]

Yeah because shutting down the dynamic duo of Erick Dampier and Ryan Hollins was the Spurs priority

You shut down Dampier, you shut down the Mavs. That's been the scouting report on Dallas for the last 5 years.

[hater]

We're talking about the best right now though. Earlier in Tim's day its a no brainer. But now he's a lot older, injury prone, and has some stamina issues. He doesn't have the ability to take over the game like Dirk can. He can do it occasionally when he gets hot. In game 3, when the Mavs were on their way to a route, he had a mere 4 points. I can't see Dirk going out like that.

yes. Right now. If youre building a team, 90% of GMs will pick the BIG MAN first. If your choice is Dirk or Duncan, 90% of Gms will pick Duncan. why?

because if they pick Dirk, they still need a BIG MAN.

[BUMP]

yes. Right now. If youre building a team, 90% of GMs will pick the BIG MAN first. If your choice is Dirk or Duncan, 90% of Gms will pick Duncan. why?

because if they pick Dirk, they still need a BIG MAN.

Oden was picked over Durant but who's the better player?

[Cry Havoc]

It's really interesting to note (after reading this thread) how much obvious animosity there is from Lakers and Mavs fans toward Tim. It's been said several times in this thread that "only idiotic homeriffic Spurs fans" would vote for Duncan, and yet we've had a Celtics fan, a Pistons fan, a Nuggets fan, a Raptors fan, and a Cavs fan weigh in saying Timmy is better. Yet no one is calling them out, there's just mocking of the Spurs fans for voting the same way as several casual observers have voted.

The most humorous thing is that some Mavs fans seem to think there's not even a debate between the two and that Dirk is clearly better.

So I'm wondering if it's not "stupid Spur fans voting for Duncan" and rather a case of, "teams that Duncan has thrashed in the playoffs" are voting against him. Because I haven't seen a single post from a non-Mavs/Lakers fan stating that Dirk is better. When monosylab1k is the voice of reason in a thread.... *Shakes head*. You Mav/Laker fans can talk all the trash you want, but I haven't seen a SINGLE decent argument being made for Dirk. You're mostly hating on people for saying Tim is better and then turning it into a flamewar, which is pretty much why Kori had to shut the NBA forum down a few days ago.

and at someone who's been pinked calling other people out for being stupid.

[hater]

Oden was picked over Durant but who's the better player?

too easy:

Keving Durant
22ppg
2.6apg
6.5rpg

Greg Oden
9ppg
.5apg
7rpg

Dirk
26ppg
.8bpg
2.4apg
8.4rpg

Duncan
19ppg
1.7bpg
3.5apg
11rpg

yeah, durant vs. oden/dirk vs. duncan is a fair comparison


Durant >>> Oden in ppg,apg and almost same rpg

Dirk > Duncan in ppg, in everything else... Duncan wins

[Culburn369]

You're mostly hating on people for saying Tim is better and then turning it into a flamewar, which is pretty much why Kori had to shut the NBA forum down a few days ago.

You damn ass smootcher, you, Cry.

Did she ever actually state why she shut it down? I saw her talking out both sides of her mouth for a couple hours, but, never saw a clear cut reason.

[Ditty]

Right now, Dirk. Tim can barely walk anymore and it's only going to get worse.

your mom could barely walk when i was done with her

[lotr1trekkie]

Trade Tim for Dirk heads up? No, way! Question answered!!!!!!

[washingtonwizard]

Interesting comparison. Dirk is definitely a force to be reckoned with on the offensive side of things. Duncan has regressed offensively, plus the fact that coach Mr. popovich now runs the offense mainly through Tony Parker, has seen a decline in Duncan's offensive presence.

That being said. As someone else mentioned, Duncan is still the heart and soul and foundation of the Spurs defensive scheme. He is a presence to be reckoned with on the defensive end and probably his superiority there is as big as the superiority of Dirk in offense.

Very tough call right now. But I saw that Duncan's ppg actually went up last year to 19ppg almost 20. That is signs that Duncan still has much in the tank and if healthy could continue being the foundation for the Spurs.

IMO just for the fact that Duncan is consistent on both sides of the court, has a post game and blocks many shots, plus has true championship winning experience. Gives him a little edge still over Mr. Nowitzki. So Duncan by a hair as someone else mentioned.

[Cry Havoc]

You damn ass smootcher, you, Cry.

Did she ever actually state why she shut it down? I saw her talking out both sides of her mouth for a couple hours, but, never saw a clear cut reason.

Yeah, me stating that a forum got shut down because people are talking too much is certainly kissing ass. Especially after I openly disagreed with her in the thread about the decision.

And she did, actually. She said it was mostly due to Mavs and Rockets fans talking too much smack and degenerating the entire forum into a bunch of idiotic threads and stupid posts about how much someone else sucks.

[nkdlunch]

and defensively Duncan gets a slight edge,

Duncan is still in the top 5 defensive bigmen

Dirk would be lucky to make top 25 defensive bigmen

[Phillip]

Duncan is still in the top 5 defensive bigmen

Dirk would be lucky to make top 25 defensive bigmen

link?

[DAF86]

link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

[Phillip]

but I haven't seen a SINGLE decent argument being made for Dirk.

no better than the argument for timmy, that he is better due to accolades he recieved years ago, having no relevance to what he is doing RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW, Dirk statistically is superior, and his team's success is superior.

therefore, Dirk > Timmy

and despite being a mavs fan, i've always been a big Timmy fan as well.

[dirk4mvp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

This is rich, coming from a guy who thinks Manu is better than Dirk.

[nkdlunch]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

[Culburn369]

And she did, actually. She said it was mostly due to Mavs and Rockets fans talking too much smack and degenerating the entire forum into a bunch of idiotic threads and stupid posts about how much someone else sucks.

I agree, Cry, this Board is mostly just for us: (Lakers Fandom & Spurs Fandom). And yes, your Fandom is the Charter Fandom. We're here mostly on your dime, but, without us this NBA Forum would be a disgrace. We're the straw that stirs the drink. We're Coca-Cola, you fellows are Pepsi. We're Nathan's Hot Dogs, you fellows are just weiners. We're Hagen Daz, you fellows are Bryers.