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Fair enough, well played....
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It's the things that don't show up in a stat sheet.
Or you just troll it. For example:
LOL D'Antoni
LOL SSOL
LOL Nash
LOL Shaq
LOL Dumbare
There are so many better way to butcher Amar(*%@#(*%@#(%@#(e's name.Or you just troll it. For example:
LOL D'Antoni
LOL SSOL
LOL Nash
LOL Shaq
LOL Dumbare
I like you.Funny how you never mention TParks straight OWNING Dallas single-handedly during the reg. season when we were without Timmy AND Manu and TParks lit yous up for 40+. Dallas turned into a team full of Dork Nowitski's on D and watched the Tony Parker Show.
Yeah, no need to start acting like a lady.... you and the Mavs will be back on your knees next season in NO time.
ALSO notable, Popovich never once mentioned their revaping their roster because of their trying to get past the likes of Dallas. It's always been to beat the Lakers. True Dallas may have had a something to do with lighting a fire under our ownerships cracks to revamp the roster, but humorous, and flattering that Dallas thinks they're so much as a BLIP on our championship Roster.
I'm curious, does Mark Cuban have some sort of post-season party over at the Mavericks stadium for the seasons the Mavs just simply "GET PAST" the Spurs in the playoffs? Does he give out mock "Spurs series Champs" tee-shirts and lapel pins to the players and coaching staff along with little tin trophies for made-up accomplishments like "New BEST Flopper" for Barea, and "JUST HAPPY TO HAVE MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS" plaques to Dallas Hierarchy? ---> I ONLY ask because you Dallas fans act as if to have basically WON the Championship JUST by beating a Spurs team at 60% (lips smacking...smacking...) Oh, does that taste bad? Hard to swallow? Mavs in May--->
Spurs and Fans in Late June----->
You seem to forget team Argentina.
Manu is by far the better player... Sure JJ is talented and all that bs but he's nowhere near Manu in my book for many reasons...
I separate NBA players by what they accomplish and how they do that.
If someone fill up the stat sheets.. he's just a good nba player, but nothing special.
Ginobili has done it all... All you have to do is watch Ginobili in the 2005 playoffs to know who the better player is. Don't give me this Duncan next to him bs. If JJ is next to Tim.. chances are he'd be a freaking role player. I really doubt Duncan would count on JJ in the playoffs to get past an opponent.
Without Ginobili.. like many have said.. this Spurs team doesn't win.. and it hasn't. This is in the Western Conference too..
Spur fans are clinging hard to one playoff run Manu had (where he put up nice, not great number), and using it every time someone dares to say another player is better than him.
Joe J. is a great shooter/scorer; like ray allen and others NBA stars
but Manu is an amazing basketball player
Anything before 2005.... After that well... yeah that's when injuries started to happen more often..
I'm really surprised by the poll numbers...
I'm not being a homer... being a fan of Manu is like being a fan of basketball. You have to follow him and see everything he's done to appreciate it.
Not really. He was the Spurs top scorer only a year ago...
by .2 pts a game, wasn't even 20/game and it was also in a year Duncan played the least amount of minutes he's played since 05.Color me unimpressed.
Not trying to impress you. Merely debunking that we Spurs fans cling only to his '05 performance. He has actually played better for us after that.by .2 pts a game, wasn't even 20/game and it was also in a year Duncan played the least amount of minutes he's played since 05.
By picking up some of the slack from Duncan being hobbled?
But hey, at least there's that one playoff run!
yea, but he played just like 30 minutes a game.by .2 pts a game, wasn't even 20/game and it was also in a year Duncan played the least amount of minutes he's played since 05.
I agree with DoK. This is 2009, soon to be 2010. This is Joe Johnson by a long shot. Switch Manu into that Hawks team. I don't think they win more. They would maybe be lottery bound.
why is JJ's team success a citable positive for him (2nd round as a franchise player) while manu's team success isnt (3 championship, 1 wcf, 2 wcsf as 2nd/3rd option and closer)? is the franchise player the only factor behind team success? does that make JJ better than wade since JJ's much deeper hawks beat wade's inexperienced heat? oh, and JJ is more durable than wade too. does anyone really think JJ is better than wade?
when paul pierce was alone on the celtics, he posted much better numbers than he does now that he has better players around him. the same can be said for kobe, when he was alone and getting scoring les while barely making the playoffs if at all. where is the evidence that manu would do worse playing bigger minutes and starting? I understand the logic behind it, but if you look at manu's stats his best seasons were the ones he played the most minutes, both RS and PO. and their stats are virtually identical, whether it be averages, career highs, etc.
i can see the argument for JJ. I just think its silly to reduce it to "he plays a bigger role for his team because he is the 1st option". the arguments for JJ, imo, are that he is more careful with the ball, has significant size advantage at his position, is more athletic/durable/younger, has a better shot.
and the argument for manu is that he is more creative with the ball, much better at taking it to the hole and finishing and thus a better scorer, a better rebounder, and in general plays with more intensity.
me personally i prefer manu's reckless drives over JJ's smooth pull up jumpers, because i think games are won in the paint.
Forgetting team Argentina and not giving two s about team Argentina are two different things.
Wtf does that even mean?
Nope because Wade won the scoring le this season. Wade lead his inferior team to a similiar record whilst being a 1st team guard. Wade also gained 2nd NBA defensive team whilst gaining the 3rd most votes in DPOY.
You made a stupid analogy.
You realize you're arguing with a guy who said the Hawks played the 76ers in the playoffs last year?
you're the one whose only argument is that JJ led his team to the 2nd round. you havent said anything about these two beyond that, and that manu owes his success to the attention tim duncan draws. what have you said about how they actually play, oh great watcher of basketball? so i mixed up the cannon fodder in the eastern conference, wgaf.
the whole point of the analogy was to show that wade's other accomplishments outweigh how his team fared with him as the franchise player. has JJ ever been on an all nba team? manu has.
The OP question is who is the best basketball player, not who is the best basketball player right now.
according to mr. hollinger, a hypothetical swap would increase the hawks' wins by 4 and decrease the spurs' wins by 5. hollinger says manu > johnson so it is the law.
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