Monroe: Horry, five other Spurs reserves free to go elsewhere

[spvrs]

which deals?

you don't see a difference between seeing a range can be calculated for the lux. tax for the next three seasons and knowing what's going to happen in free agency with 4 big men?

[strangeweather]

The Bulls said they would match any offers for the first two -- there is that pesky restricted free agency again

I know that's what the Bulls have said, but do you really see Curry going back to them next year? I could be wrong, but I kind of think they might just be looking to angle for the right sign and trade.

[ChumpDumper]

you don't see a difference between seeing a range can be calculated for the lux. tax for the next three seasons and knowing what's going to happen in free agency with 4 big men?

Nope. Your guess is as bad as mine. So give me your bad guess. Numbers please.

I know that's what the Bulls have said, but do you really see Curry going back to them next year? I could be wrong, but I kind of think they might just be looking to angle for the right sign and trade

I think Curry might end up taking the qualifying offer, as he has alot to prove medically before anyone is going to pony up the money he seems to want.

[Gino2882]

No team is EVER gonna say they dont want a player back. Could you imagine if the Bulls said they didnt want Curry back?

I can easily see the Bulls trading Curry.

[ChumpDumper]

No team is EVER gonna say they dont want a player back.

You should look at yesterday's transactions then. Several teams said they didn't want players back.

I can easily see the Bulls trading Curry.

For whom? I'm not saying it isn't possible, but who really wants to give him a contract like, say, Parker's right now with all the questions about his health?

[spvrs]

what deals did they pass up?

I think to sign everybody ~60
~10% higher next year... give you ~66
and so on and so on...

[ChumpDumper]

what deals did they pass up?

Kurt Thomas is the most well-known deal.

I think to sign everybody ~60
~10% higher next year... give you ~60
and so on and so on...

That wasn't the question. I asked your estimates of the tax threshold for the next 3-4 years. That's what your argument depends on.

[spvrs]

2005-06
Worst Case +1.0% +4.0% $2,977 $58.6 $44.2 $1,758
Preferred +3.0% +6.3% $3,157 $62.4 $47.1 $1,872
Best Case +5.0% +8.0% $3,333 $66.1 $50.0 $1,984

how's that?

Kurt is signed through 2007/2008... how does that help with salary?

[Gino2882]

You should look at yesterday's transactions then. Several teams said they didn't want players back.For whom? I'm not saying it isn't possible, but who really wants to give him a contract like, say, Parker's right now with all the questions about his health?

LOL. Were any of those players Eddy Curry or someone like Kwame Brown who is young and can be received for value.

[strangeweather]

I think Curry might end up taking the qualifying offer, as he has alot to prove medically before anyone is going to pony up the money he seems to want.

You could easily be right, but there are a lot of teams that need centers and have GMs who are willing to take a chance.

When you combine that with several reports that Skiles doesn't like Curry, I think it's hard to say where he'll be playing next year.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, you're the one speaking in absolutes. Of course Brown was extended the QO for a likely S&T. Curry? For this season, Chicago is completely in the driver's seat because of Curry's health issues, with the caveat that it is less of a pain to get injury-forced retirements off the cap with the new CBA.

[Mark in Austin]

I know that's what the Bulls have said, but do you really see Curry going back to them next year? I could be wrong, but I kind of think they might just be looking to angle for the right sign and trade.

Any team that offers Curry more than MLE type money is taking a HUGE risk, unless there's going to be another luxury tax holiday/mulligan in the future.

Setting aside the (potential) health issues, this is a player who was unmotivated for years. Then all of a sudden, when it's contract time, he gets in shape and plays at a respectable level?

Pass.

[strangeweather]

Any team that offers Curry more than MLE type money is taking a HUGE risk, unless there's going to be another luxury tax holiday/mulligan in the future.

Setting aside the (potential) health issues, this is a player who was unmotivated for years. Then all of a sudden, when it's contract time, he gets in shape and plays at a respectable level?

Pass.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a smart move, I'm saying it's a move somebody might well make. Remember the Nets' Alonzo Mourning deal? Remember Jerome James's last contract?

sw

[Dave McNulla]

spurs payroll is going up up up.

my prediction:
horry stays. linton and brown stay, brown gets a modest raise. glenn is gone for more money. marks will go play in europe. tmass is gone, some new tough guy will replace him. not sure who will fill the emty spots.

[spvrs]

That said, Atlanta would probably take him for Diaw and cap space, no questions asked.

I guess an intelligent poster translates that into:

If I haven't mentioned it yet, I also believe those calling for Childress, et.al., are reaching. The Spurs are buying payroll relief, and it will cost them.Depends on what players are involved.

does it have something to do with what the definition of is is? the deponent or something... Chump are you Bill Clinton?

[CaptainLate]

correct me if im wrong but if all goes well, isnt it:

nazr / rasho
tim / horry / scola
bowen
manu / barry
parker / beno

i'd love that lineup. but theres only 2 more beds at the inn. a solid 3 with the size and quickness at that spot and a vet backup point and we're in dynasty mode?

Oberto's in and Scola is out. Rasho is out (sometime down the line). Wilks, Marks and LJ3 will be replaced by summer league and trades. Big Dog still up in the air.

[spvrs]

chump you there?

[spvrs]

chump you care to reconcile those statements?

(weren't you also the guy that said that if you have over 18 million like atlanta suddenly cap space has no value?)

[ChumpDumper]

Am I supposed to be ignoring you or not. Reconcile those statements.

As for my statements, they don't dontradict each other at all.

Childress > Diaw.

Childress is a reach. Diaw is not.

You are truly dense.

[wildbill2u]

There really only a handful of free agents that could possibly fit the Spurs' SF need for, at most, post-Scola MLE scraps. Linton is a good hedge, but putting off the option is tres cheap, and not overly fair to Linton - he must really want to stay.

Or really has no other better chance to go somewhere else. Remember he's been on IR almost all year, apparently for legitimate reasons. And his record as a marginal player with several teams doesn't exactly inspire much interest from other teams either. He may be a last minute addition if the Spurs can't find anyone better.

[ChumpDumper]

I agree with that, but it would seem he would've gotten SL or maybe even camp invites had he been released. He's only been with one team besides the Spurs.

SL is a showcase for marginal players after all.

Lint might also make more money out of the deal than if he went straight into free agency, depending on the terms of the option.

[wildbill2u]

Probably why the interest in Oberto is public. We'll bring in the other Argentine if you with us.

A very prescient observation before the happening. Kudos to you because I don't think anyone saw the Oberto signing coming.

[wildbill2u]

I agree with that, but it would seem he would've gotten SL or maybe even camp invites had he been released. He's only been with one team besides the Spurs.

SL is a showcase for marginal players after all.

Lint might also make more money out of the deal than if he went straight into free agency, depending on the terms of the option.

I'm wondering if the Spurs have any interest in him at all. Wouldn't they have placed him on their Summer league team to check out his recovery and play against other prospects? Of course, if they're just looking at him as a bench warmer as part of a contractual obligation to have a player on the roster, rather than a possible Bowen replacement, then it doesn't matter much who they sign.

[ChumpDumper]

It could go either way, but the pickings are fairly slim for SFs that are much better than LJ3 and want to play behind Bruce in free agency -- it could very well come down to Johnson vs. Johnsen in training camp if no trades are made.