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Season tickets yes but not overall tickets sold. This would have to be figure out. I guess it should be actually and sent to ballineurope because their numbers are crap.
The only way is if clubs release all tickets sales. And they never release that because simply is no reason to because in Greece is just not counted like that so they have no reason to release it.
Last year one of the sports magazines had season tickets. Remember this is NOT ticket sales overall this is JUST season tickets. It is like you would have to add these numbers to the attendance numbers that were from ballineurope that do not count these tickets. But only add to as much as is arena capacity. And I know also pretty much those actual numbers for arenas and not all the old and wrong ones from stadia.gr So I guess the actual attendance numbers could be figured with some work. Then from there I can remember pretty good the games and for what clubs where it was dual ticket of soccer and basketball and in those just certain times when also attendances were not counted.
Also I know of all the games when the arenas were close to the publics because of the riots and attacks by the fans. This is also something that ballineurope acts like complete morons that they give an "average" attendance number but count games when attendance was zero because the police banned all fans because of rioting. For some strange reason ballineurope thinks that games where no one was allowed to attend should count as an "average". So once again they have false numbers. I know also which games for which clubs where the fans were banned. Ballineurope does not even mention this when in other leagues they did not have games where fans were banned.
Also please remember ballineurope figures do NOT count any playoff games. Olympiacos and Panathinaikos were at huge attendances in playoffs and they are not counted by ballineurope. They do not count that for Euroleague or Greek League numbers.
Here is the season tickets sales (again not overall sales just season tickets sales)
1. Olympiacos 11,400
2. Panathinaikos 8,500
3. PAOK 4,500 (lowest in many years for them - usually they get about 8,500)
4. Aris 4,500 (lower than normal for them - usually they get about 5,000-5,500)
5. Olympia Larissa 3,850
6. AEL 3,500
7. AEK 3,200 (lowest in many years for them)
8. Panionios 2,400
9. Trikala 2,000 (first time in league)
10. Maroussi 1,700
11. Kavala 1,700 (first time in league)
12. Kolossos 1,300
13. Egaleo 1,200
14. Panellinios 1,200
Then like I say add the season tickets to the attendance numbers and then also add the games where the soccer attendances are not counted and then add in the playoff games and then also figure for the games where fans were banned by police when you figure on the "average".
Season tickets yes but not overall tickets sold. This would have to be figure out. I guess it should be actually and sent to ballineurope because their numbers are crap.
No. The Greek secretary general of sports and the police knows how many are in each game.
Well let's see those real attendance numbers.
and you child genius didn't figure that the season ticket numbers (those that you call "actual numbers") and the capacity numbers from stadia.gr (those that you called "old and wrong") are exactly the same for Panellinios, Egaleo, Colossus, Kavala, Maroussi.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!
all the places you claim to have been rebuilt, extended etc. have sold exactly the number of season tickets that match with the "old and wrong" numbers for their arena's seats.
you remember that guy Black Knight in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", who shouts "Running away, eh? You yellow bas s! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off! " after Arthur has just cut his arms and legs off?
well, that guy pretty much is you, the difference is just that you don't even need a King Arthur to defeat you. you cut off your arms and legs yourself whenever you try to back up your idiotic claims.
Hey you ing IDIOT they don't count the bleachers as season tickets MORON. They only count the built in seats for season tickets. Use your brain if you have one at all.
and you child genius didn't figure that the season ticket numbers (those that you call "actual numbers") and the capacity numbers from stadia.gr (those that you called "old and wrong") are exactly the same for Panellinios, Egaleo, Colossus, Kavala, Maroussi.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!
all the places you claim to have been rebuilt, extended etc. have sold exactly the number of season tickets that match with the "old and wrong" numbers for their arena's seats.
you remember that guy Black Knight in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", who shouts "Running away, eh? You yellow bas s! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off! " after Arthur has just cut his arms and legs off?
well, that guy pretty much is you, the difference is just that you don't even need a King Arthur to defeat you. you cut off your arms and legs yourself whenever you try to back up your idiotic claims.
So how can one find out exactly how many people actually attended a game in Greece?
I explained it already.
No you didn't.
Where does one find the actual number of people that watched a professional basketball game in Greece?
as they always did: ask the Oracle of Delphi
with bleachers you mean the plastic patio furniture?
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Where the did i say you get in free?
So they don't count season tickets in attendance figures? When this supposed "fact" paints you into a corner when added to provable facts from reliable sources; what do you do?
Make up new facts!!!
So they paid for the soccer game and paid again for the basketball game, but were not counted in the basketball game attendance because they had attended the soccer game????
Or did they pay for the soccer game and use their stub to gain admittance to the basketball game as you said?
Capacity: 1,350And again you make up nonsense. Panathinaikos and Olympiacos are only clubs with good attendance?
Location: The hall is located in Maroussi, a suburb 9 km north of the Athens city centre. It lies only 500m away from the Athens Olympic Sports Complex (OAKA).
Built in: 1997
Home of: Maroussi B.C. (A1 Division)
More data: Maroussi Indoor Hall is a relatively new one, having been inaugurated in the year that Maroussi B.C. were promoted to the A1 Division.
Up until then, they played their home games in the old "Spyros Louis Indoor Hall", which lies opposite the Maroussi metro station, about 3 km to the north of their current home.
Although the hall is very small, sold-outs are rare (only when the home club plays against Olympiakos, Panathinaikos or AEK). However, the club consider expanding it. The plan is to expand the two small stands along the court by constructing two extentions on each side of the building. This will almost double the capacity of the arena.
http://stadia.gr/marousi/marousi.html
The Greek League is one of the top leagues in Europe.
Panathinaikos is one of the top teams in the Euroleague and Olympiacos is also a long-time Euroleague fixture. They play in two of the several modern indoor arenas in Greece.
The Greek National Team is a factor in every major tournament and will be among the favorites in the European championships next month.
These are undeniable facts, but apparently any mention of other, less flattering, facts about Greek basketball is quite upsetting to our friend.
Facts such as:
-several Greek A1 league teams play their home Greek League games in arenas with capacities below 3,000.
-there are only two Greek League who are guaranteed to play Euroleague regular season games. Another two teams are in a group of teams in a qualification tourney from which it is possible for only one Greek League team to succeed. Our friend counts entry in the qualification tourney as membership in the league and objects when this is shown to be false.
I checked in the Greek forums about the arenas.........
FACTS
1. Aris is building a new 10,000 arena that they OWN. Will be done by 2010-11 season.
2. Aris current arena (5,500) will then be given to Iraklis who have 2,500 arena now. It will then be expanded to 10,000 but will still be owned by Greek state.
3. PAOK arena (they own it) had renovation and now has 8,700 capacity. There is plans to make it to 10,000 by 2012.
4. AEL and Olympia will merge as one club. Also they will have new 10,000 arena that they will OWN ready before 2013 (part of new AEL sports complex)
5. Current AEL arena (5,500) will go to youth national teams of Greece
6. Trikalla is getting a new 5,500 arena to be ready by 2011 (they have 2,500 arena now). They will not own it.
7. Olympiacos is building new 20,000 arena that they will OWN. Ready by 2013.
8. Current Olympiacos arena (15,000-16,000) will go to Peristeri (they have 4,000 arena now).
9. AEK is building new 12,000 arena that they will OWN. Part of new AEK sports complex. Will be ready by 2012.
10. Panionios is building new 10,000 arena that they will OWN. To be ready by 2012. Part of new Panionios sports complex.
11. Current Panionios arena (15,000) will go to Panellinios who will rent it (moving from their 1,500 arena) and it will stay owned by enic Cup and enic Basketball Federation.
12. Panathinaikos is building new 17,000 arena that they will OWN. Part of new Panathinaikos sports complex. To be ready by 2013.
13. Current Panathinaikos arena (19,000-20,000) will go to Maroussi who will rent it (moving from their 1,700 arena now) and it will also stay as home of senior national team and Acropolis Cup and owned by Greek Basketball Federation.
14. Kolossos is getting a new 5,500 arena to be ready by 2011 (they have 1,300 arena now). They will not own it.
15. Iraklio is moving into the Heraklion (5,500). Ownership of it will stay with Greek Basketball Federation.
There is 2 new rules for the arenas.
1. ULEB says all arenas for Euroleague must be 10,000 at least by 2011 and all arenas for Eurocup must 5,000 at least by 2011.
2. Greek Basketball Federation made new rule that all the big multi sports clubs of A1 must have at least 10,000 arena for Greek league by 2013.
These rules have been passed and the arenas are already being worked on. The land for all of them is purchased, the plans are done and ALL of them have already began in construction.
Make your pathetic racist little jokes while you still can.
Maybe the Greek's should hire this guy to teach them how to count how many people actually attend games:
Those aren't facts until you can actually PROVE it. Provide a real source, a link, anything that proves what you've just said. It shouldn't be anything that someone else has said on another forum. Just because you said it, doesn't make it true. You're not God or Jesus, so not everything that comes out of your mouth is truth.I checked in the Greek forums about the arenas.........
FACTS
1. Aris is building a new 10,000 arena that they OWN. Will be done by 2010-11 season.
2. Aris current arena (5,500) will then be given to Iraklis who have 2,500 arena now. It will then be expanded to 10,000 but will still be owned by Greek state.
3. PAOK arena (they own it) had renovation and now has 8,700 capacity. There is plans to make it to 10,000 by 2012.
4. AEL and Olympia will merge as one club. Also they will have new 10,000 arena that they will OWN ready before 2013 (part of new AEL sports complex)
5. Current AEL arena (5,500) will go to youth national teams of Greece
6. Trikalla is getting a new 5,500 arena to be ready by 2011 (they have 2,500 arena now). They will not own it.
7. Olympiacos is building new 20,000 arena that they will OWN. Ready by 2013.
8. Current Olympiacos arena (15,000-16,000) will go to Peristeri (they have 4,000 arena now).
9. AEK is building new 12,000 arena that they will OWN. Part of new AEK sports complex. Will be ready by 2012.
10. Panionios is building new 10,000 arena that they will OWN. To be ready by 2012. Part of new Panionios sports complex.
11. Current Panionios arena (15,000) will go to Panellinios who will rent it (moving from their 1,500 arena) and it will stay owned by enic Cup and enic Basketball Federation.
12. Panathinaikos is building new 17,000 arena that they will OWN. Part of new Panathinaikos sports complex. To be ready by 2013.
13. Current Panathinaikos arena (19,000-20,000) will go to Maroussi who will rent it (moving from their 1,700 arena now) and it will also stay as home of senior national team and Acropolis Cup and owned by Greek Basketball Federation.
14. Kolossos is getting a new 5,500 arena to be ready by 2011 (they have 1,300 arena now). They will not own it.
15. Iraklio is moving into the Heraklion (5,500). Ownership of it will stay with Greek Basketball Federation.
There is 2 new rules for the arenas.
1. ULEB says all arenas for Euroleague must be 10,000 at least by 2011 and all arenas for Eurocup must 5,000 at least by 2011.
2. Greek Basketball Federation made new rule that all the big multi sports clubs of A1 must have at least 10,000 arena for Greek league by 2013.
These rules have been passed and the arenas are already being worked on. The land for all of them is purchased, the plans are done and ALL of them have already began in construction.
Make your pathetic racist little jokes while you still can.
It is in the GOD DAMN MOTHER ING GREEK CONSTRUCTION FORUMS.
Go ing read it yourself ASSHOLE
Perhaps you should spend your time reading and posting in those places.
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