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How about the shots against Phoenix.
he was the MVP against Phoenix.
What about the shots against New Jersey?
Ye short memories....
Why not? That's not even that small, VERY similar to what the lakers do:
Parker - Fischer
Manu - Kobe
RJ - Artest
Sjax - Odom
Duncan - Pau
I'm all in.
How about the shots against Phoenix.
he was the MVP against Phoenix.
What about the shots against New Jersey?
Ye short memories....
jesus, is it really that difficult to see that in the current situation Sjax doesn't make that much sense for the Spurs?
if the Spurs in fact were willing to pull another major trade this summer (which is totally unlikely), it wouldn't be for a player like Sjax. what this roster still could use, are role players with a defensive game. (sjax can defend well occasionally, but he isn't a defensive role player, not even a bit)
did you forget last year playoffs sj was inHow about the shots against Phoenix.
he was the MVP against Phoenix.
What about the shots against New Jersey?
Ye short memories....
he was so not clutch
Mason and Bonner for Sjax. This deal make sense for both teams. It will add financial flexibility to the Warriors going in 2010, and for the spurs, it assures a contending team until the duncan era is over.
As for manu' contract next year, we have to remember that Timmeh is going to take about 4M less next year to allow the spurs to re-sign manu. Also Finley and Theo are off the books next season, with that money we can bring Tiago next season, and bring up Jack MAck for the minimum to replace Finley.
Come on, RC make it happen.
who is to say manu will resign with spurs
he did fly to denver last time he was a fa
I think it's a little unrealistic to expect the Spurs to take on that kind of contract when the new CBA isn't on the books.
Two things.
THe lakers haven't played Artest yet. So we don't know what they will or will not do
Odom is 6'10", how is that small ball if he is included in the PF position?
ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!
While the salary cap and lux tax numbers for 2010 are a bit murky and difficult to predict, the numbers for 2011 and beyond are completely unknown. Duncan's contract is the only big number that extends past the summer of 2011. Nearly all the additional financial obligations assumed by the Spurs this summer are contained to the next two seasons.
If ownership is willing to take the risks associated with Jackson's contract, then that would be great. It would make the team better for the upcoming season and it's not my money. I would, however, be very surprised if it actually happens.
+1How about the shots against Phoenix.
he was the MVP against Phoenix.
What about the shots against New Jersey?
Ye short memories....
They did not watch the 03 Spurs
Sjax was the second best player on that team behind duncan. Also that year the spurs were succesful against kobe not just because of bowen, but for the 3 headed monster we had to guard him that year, Bowen, Manu and Sjax., each one brought something different to the table against kobe. We can have that again with Rj, Manu and Sjax, not to mention that with Sjax we can solve the matchup problems with Odom and Dirk.
Appreciate the correction - my bad on stats - but I am totally with you that if Holt is willing to stay in LT for 4 years and getting SJAX in no way effects the decision on Manu then you do this deal - btw wasn't trying to say that SJAX is the playmaker or player that Manu is only that his TOs stats compared to other scorers of similiar talents is on par with what you would ecpect.I agree with your conclusion, with the caveat that obtaining Jackson does not preclude signing Manu to an extension if justified by his health and level of play.
For the sake of accuracy, though, your numbers are still off. The first two sets of numbers you have for Jackson are from the Indiana and GS portions of the 2006-2007 season, not two separate seasons. When you use his totals for each season, you will see that Manu has had a better ratio in every season in which both players have been in the NBA.
Odom is only about an inch taller than Jackson, not that big of a difference.
I'd rather have jackson in there rather than Dyess because Jackson can spread all the way out to the three point line.
No thanks. Too big a contract, too much uncertainty that he'd be willing to accept a role where he doesn't get to put up 20 shots a night. Plus it would result in too thin a bench.
That is a great point. Heck, even if things were known it would still be a bad long term contract.
Agreed. If there is a deal breaker here for the Spurs it is Jackson's contract. Chemistry wise, it is a great deal. Jackson knows the system and won a le with the big three. The only other problem is that Golden State might not want to take scraps for Jackson and the Spurs should not risk too much to get him. The Spurs could offer expiring contracts to Golden State, but not much talent. Especially if Dallas is willing to give up Josh Howard, whose baggage might be a problem for any other team except the Warriors, who seem to have a knack for picking up numbnuts. Cleveland is a long shot, but if they are willing to give up a couple of key role players (and the Warriors are willing to accept their contracts), Jackson would probably have the most impact on the Cavs.
Last edited by ohmwrecker; 08-30-2009 at 06:06 PM.
Now I kind of want this to happen. I am just flopping back and forth on it, but the more I think about (from a fans perspective) it would be almost impossible to pass up Sjax if it only cost Mason, Finley and Bonner or especially just 2 of the three.
It would give so many options to Pop and improve the defense dramatically. I do not like the long-term effects, but damn what a team until Duncan retires.
Also, SJax would be the true Manu insurance, not RJ. RJ was brought in to add to Manu in order to at least give the Spurs a fighting chance to win a le. If Manu was hurt, RJ would mean nothing because the Spurs won't win a le.
If you get SJax and Manu stays healthy you will have a sick team. If Manu gets hurt, the Spurs still have a good shot with RJ/Duncan/Parker and SJ.
I actually see it as more of a luxury. It gives us options at crunch time depending on the match ups and who is playing better.
There is a good chance that Jack will spend the majority of his time at SG. He can slide to the SF when RJ goes to the bench and Manu comes in. In a playoff series, the match ups can be assessed and either RJ or Jack will be on the floor late in games depending on which is better at exploiting their opponent on both ends of the floor.
Yeah...even with the bad contract it would be difficult to say no to. If the Spurs are really wanting to go balls out to win now it's worth it.Now I kind of want this to happen
It would give so many options to Pop and improve the defense dramatically. I do not like the long-term effects, but damn what a team until Duncan retires.
Also, SJax would be the true Manu insurance, not RJ. RJ was brought in to add to Manu in order to at least give the Spurs a fighting chance to win a le. If Manu was hurt, RJ would mean nothing because the Spurs won't win a le.
If you get SJax and Manu stays healthy you will have a sick team. If Manu gets hurt, the Spurs still have a good shot with RJ/Duncan/Parker and SJ.
If the Warriors would accept any combination of Bonner, Finley, Mason or Williams, I would pull the trigger. I wouldn't give up anyone else though, I'm on the fence about Mahinmi. It's a pretty hefty contract, but I think it would give the Spurs the best chance to win a le(s) for the next couple of seasons. It's probably as close to a "no brainer" as the Spurs are going to get.
Death or Glory!
Get Jack!!
Spurs plays don't differentiate between the 2 and the 3 or the 4 and the 5 on offense. They are wing/wing and post/post. On the Christmas play in PHO last year, I remember that one of the wings (Manu/Mase) called for the switch on the floor, and Mase ended up with the ball on a play intended for Manu.
Jax wants out? Who? Phil Jax? Perfect!
Anyone remember when Finley--
You get my point.
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