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Are they talking about turning existing roadways into toll roads, or adding toll portions (or maybe having a toll lane?)?
Things of interest: Both interchanges (1604/281;1604/10) are going to be tolled. But I had no idea that they've proposed:
A) Tolling a section of Wurzbach Parkway and the interchange of 281/Wurzbach Parkway
B) Turning Bandera Road into a toll road from 410 to 1604. Why in gods name would you toll Bandera? I know the traffic is insane but what would they do to Banera Rd? Turn it into a freeway? A Parkway?
Are they talking about turning existing roadways into toll roads, or adding toll portions (or maybe having a toll lane?)?
nothing like paying money to drive on roads
that your taxes pay for.
Nice.
i didnt know they could turn an existing road into a toll road.
How the could they turn Bandera into a Toll Road? My devlopment ends at Bandera.
It's not exsiting roads being turned into toll roads.
The rods that are currently non-toll roads will stay that way.
What is construction as toll roads will be... toll roads.
The two five stack interchanges at 1604/281 and 1604/10 will be tolled in order to pay for the construction.
Bottomline:
With these toll roads, you'll have two options, you can drive freely or drive the toll roads.
That's what I wanted to know.
I mean traffic is a nightmare on Bandera but turn it into a toll road?
they're going to rob you all blind
blind i say
someone tell me where the there will be a toll road on bandera?
as a second level to bandera road?
in sum, really the only place in san antonio that you can really make a toll road would be 1604, and I'm not really convinced how much sense that really makes, as its simply an outer loop to the city. I know Dallas and Houston have toll roads, but as far as I know, they arent the loops.
We arent a big enough metro area to really warrant toll roads.
I'm assuming the toll would be at the 410 exit and 1604 for Bandera, but that would back traffic up even more. Since there are plenty of way to get to Bandera instead of these two exits, I can't imagine it would work.
I love the part where they (whoever "they" are) are proposing a toll on Wurzbach Pkwy where they haven't even bought the easement or filed the impact statement for Salado Creek.
I like tolls on make believe roads.
And another thing, if the city s this up and doesn't let the toll be privatized (Cintas/Zachary), I guarantee it will be 2030 before the interchanges are done.
The Sam Houston toll road in Houston is a outer loop.
And if you've driven 1604 in the afternoon (4-7) you'd know the damn thing needs to be expanded.
But because state funding is less then it should be for SA, it would take a long time before construction to expand highways that need it.
The toll roads will help San Antonio with funding and using this financing method will allow several roads to be built as many as 24 years ahead of current schedules and substantially cheaper.
So basically what you are saying is that T Park has once again showed his idiocy?
If it's privatized, Cintas/Zachary keep all the money generated from the tolls.
That means 20 years from now when SA needs funding for a freeway or expansion of a freeway and the state doesn't have it, we're screwed while Cintas and Zachary keep rolling in the toll money.
It's stupid.
Das Texan was right, Bandera would be an elevated toll road.
Types of toll roads the San Antonio system will have:
- Tolled mainlanes: The mainlanes of the highway would be tolled, while the access roads would remain free.
- Tolled managed lanes: The existing mainlanes remain free, but additional lanes built in the median of the freeway would be tolled. These lanes would be barrier-separated and would have limited entry and exit points. It might be possible for these lanes to also double as HOV and/or bus lanes (known as HOT [High Occupancy/Toll] lanes.)
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- Tolled elevated lanes: A tollway would be built elevated over an existing free roadway.
- Tolled interchange: Direct connect ramps between the tollway and an intersecting freeway are tolled.
The map below shows which type of tollway is currently being considered for each tollway segment.
One of the more interesting of the current toll proposals is that for tolled interchanges on Loop 1604 at US 281 and I-10. In both cases, new tolled direct-connect ramps would be constructed. The existing ramps and connections would remain free.
So the cloverleaf interchange at 1604/10 would remain but stacks would be built as well. Cool.
And since 1604/281 has no interchange, one will be built but you can still use the access roads to connect.
You're right, don't let it be privatized and it will won't get built on time and the $450 million earmarked for the initial toll (which would now be carried out with private funds) which could go to funding other roads, could be spent on overruns and extras.
Cin/Zach said they'd pay to build the entire starter system. Not else and would keep all profits from that.
So there wouldn't be overrun or extras. Not with the starter system.
If the starter system is privatized, yes, there would be no overruns and the original $450M earmarked for the starter toll system could be used elsewhere on other roads. Which is what I originally said.
Let TxDOT run it and the original $450M won't paint the lane markers.
i love the development
Trust me, as a Dallasite you will come to love this. Just be sure to get the toll tags or whatever they are going to be called (a pre-charged tag that you keep in you car that lets' you through without slowing down to throw change).
Also about Bandera Rd.
From 1990 to 2003, traffic volume for Bandera Road at 1604 has grown +537%
That's insane.
i love development. i love increases in traffic. i love the growth. bring it on
In So. California, it's called FasTrak. I use it when I go to my parents house (they have the transponder). But on some freeways, you have to pay a toll several times. It's not just where you get on or where you exit.
I think what SA will have, I read this somewhere, is a sticker you place on your car and then when you pass the toll area your charged and at the end of the month you pay what you owe.
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