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I get his point and it is a good one. I think Obama is being disingenuous when he say illegals won't be included or this won't cost our country one more dime.
Many of Wilson's GOP colleagues seemed to think so.
I get his point and it is a good one. I think Obama is being disingenuous when he say illegals won't be included or this won't cost our country one more dime.
I think what Jack was hoping for him to say is that if an illegal comes in with a heart attack or an appendix about to rupture, the hospital should turn them away and let their brown ass die in the parking lot.
Nice.
On the contrary. Many illegals do have SS cards and driver's licenses. Fake as they may be...they're still often recognized as legit when presented as proof of iden y.
will they be able to get the health coverage without paying for it, fake id or not?
Will insurance companies validate ID before granting policy?
if they go to the ER they probably will beacuse like someone said hospitals don't turn away anyone. but also like someone said, this is already going on and is not going away with any new plan.
but if they go to a regular doctor with the fake id, you don't think the nurse is gonna have a way to check? I am sure they will like they do now.
If they do an actual check on the card (which they should) and not just a quick glance, then either no information will pop up... or the information to some person who's been missing for 4 years will.
I'm gonna start a business making fake Obamacare cards. Thanks for the idea.
There's good money to be made in providing fake ID's. Or at least there has to be. In my business I'm presented with fake ID's all the time.
It would erase one issue I have. I have many. Much bigger ones. But I have to get some work done. Peace out!
RFID's?
they do that now. besides, the doctors office will require verification.
do you think a fake SS card means they don't pay taxes?
that sounds like something you'd waste your time on.
Go to any Day Labor business...their records show employees with supposedly valid ID's of people legal to work in the United States.
thats right. and the business deducts the state and federal taxes based on the SS number, fake or not.
Are the people with fake IDs going to pay premiums?
there's a lot of newbies in this forum.
I know they are trying to crack down on it better than what they have in the past.
But take for instance the landscaping/lawn care industry. There is also work visas that are allowed to migrant workers. These ID's or form of legal rights to work in the United States are primarily seasonal whereby the visa is good from March through November.
Many illegals and migrant workers produce false do entation. As it stands now...the companies that employee these workers are not required to "verify" if that do entation is correct as long as they have a copy of that do entation on file. Yes...taxes are taken out of pay their pay if their pay is hourly based. But pay could also be that as to a "sub-contractor" or 1099. On that basis...the contactor is not obligated to have visual proof of iden y...just a listed SS in which to submit a 1099 to that sub-contractor.
do you want to do the impossible and round them up, or make sure they continue paying taxes?
I see what your saying. As individuals...probably not. As employees of companies forced to provide health insurance under this proposed plan...why should they be concerned?
Speaking as a LEGAL alien, I can tell you that after 9/11 it has become virtually impossible to obtain a valid, legal SS or DL for an illegal alien, at least in NJ.
Now, if a person goes the phony route, then they're definitely entering the falsified state or federal do ent terrain, a felony, and if it's a copy of somebody's else IDs, then it's iden y theft, another federal felony. The illegal aliens I've known wouldn't even dare to go that route because if caught meant they had to face jail time and basically forego any chance to regularize their situation (which all of them ended up doing).
So they will be employed AND be paying premiums from their benefits at work?
Sounds great.
Booing and calling the POTUS a liar on national television during a primetime speech is alot different. I didn't realize those things were like that where you could scream out crap, or even boo like what happened to Bush. I think I remember feeling sorry for Bush when that happened.
And as a footnote, you would be surprised how many illegal aliens do pay taxes (through a Tax ID card). One of the requirements for a green card is to present your tax returns for the previous 3 years. Anybody that wants to move from illegal to legal if given a chance has to have that.
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