How do you fix the GOP?

[nuclearfm]

jmo, but if the republicans want to get back in power any time soon their only chance is to quit ing about every little thing obama does and focus 100% of their attention to pushing the fiscal conservative agenda. Just hammer the point over and over and over that we can't afford to be spending all this money. Now given bush's liberal spending and your support of the bailouts you're going to have a hard time being taken seriously. Unfortunately that's the price you're going to have to pay. The message should be one of acknowledging that mistakes were made, the bailouts were necessary, but now it's time to cut spending and start acting responsibly.

Quit ing about czars, quit ing about speeches to school kids, quit fueling a bunch of hysteria. Quit doing it because all it's doing is making people think you're one new welfare bill away from drinking the heaven's gate cool-aid to escape the earthly shackles of muslim socialists.

Republicans also need to realize that the social side of the conservative agenda isn't getting them anywhere. If you want to be the party of small government then you've got to realize that includes keeping government out of people's social lives. That doesn't mean that you have to suddenly become pro-choice and support gay marriage. But at least recognize that advocating having the federal government legislate your beliefs onto others is going to drive people away. Your only way out is to push those issues as states rights decisions. That's consistent with a small government theme and at that level do whatever makes you happy.

Fourth point, never utter the phrase "family values" again. Family values is not an issue. It's nothing more than a catch phrase that makes you come across as smug and arrogant by believing that you have some kind of superior claim to moral rightousness over someone who disagrees with you politically. Plus it makes you look like a bunch of hypocrites when one of your red team elected officials has an affair. And make no mistake, they have affairs just as offen as blue team officials do.

Last point, your marketing campaign sucks. You've got to find a way to change the perception that you're just the party of angry white guys.

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[jack sommerset]

2012 is a different animal. If the economy is better, if we're out of the banking industry / auto industry, and Obama's foreign policy pans out, then the D's might win some of those back.

If the above doesn't happen, then yes, the R's might get it even or take over by 2012.

Won't happen until taxes are lowered and Obama stops spending money. And that won't happen. It really is that simple. Foreign policies. Telling everyone you are sorry is ridiculous. BUT he has not dug himself too deep he can't help there. One of those houses are going to the GOP. No way Obama gets re-elected.

[coyotes_geek]

Republican control is the best thing that ever happened to the Democrats!

Pretty much. The democrats did a masterful job of saying "Bush sucks" while silently going along with pretty much everything Bush wanted to do. Which of course only gave them more ammo to use against him and the republicans.

[jack sommerset]

How do you fix the GOP?


They definitely need better marketing. But the dems will give them plenty of material over the next few years.

The sad thing is the dems have not figured out they are the ones making the GOP look better.

[101A]

JMO, but if the republicans want to get back in power any time soon their only chance is to quit ing about every little thing Obama does and focus 100% of their attention to pushing the fiscal conservative agenda. Just hammer the point over and over and over that we can't afford to be spending all this money. Now given Bush's liberal spending and your support of the bailouts you're going to have a hard time being taken seriously. Unfortunately that's the price you're going to have to pay. The message should be one of acknowledging that mistakes were made, the bailouts were necessary, but now it's time to cut spending and start acting responsibly.

Quit ing about czars, quit ing about speeches to school kids, quit fueling a bunch of hysteria. Quit doing it because all it's doing is making people think you're one new welfare bill away from drinking the Heaven's Gate cool-aid to escape the earthly shackles of muslim socialists.

Republicans also need to realize that the social side of the conservative agenda isn't getting them anywhere. If you want to be the party of small government then you've got to realize that includes keeping government out of people's social lives. That doesn't mean that you have to suddenly become pro-choice and support gay marriage. But at least recognize that advocating having the federal government legislate your beliefs onto others is going to drive people away. Your only way out is to push those issues as states rights decisions. That's consistent with a small government theme and at that level do whatever makes you happy.

Fourth point, never utter the phrase "family values" again. Family values is not an issue. it's nothing more than a catch phrase that makes you come across as smug and arrogant by believing that you have some kind of superior claim to moral rightousness over someone who disagrees with you politically. Plus it makes you look like a bunch of hypocrites when one of your red team elected officials has an affair. And make no mistake, they have affairs just as offen as blue team officials do.

Last point, your marketing campaign sucks. You've got to find a way to change the perception that you're just the party of angry white guys.

Nice.

[doobs]

- Stop nominating tired old men because it's "their turn."
- Simplify the platform. Stick to low taxes, spending restraint, and free enterprise.
- Keep promises, no matter who's in power.

Oh, and never get caught looking things up on a white nationalist website. That would probably be a bad thing, right?

[nuclearfm]

Won't happen until taxes are lowered and Obama stops spending money. And that won't happen. It really is that simple. Foreign policies. Telling everyone you are sorry is ridiculous. BUT he has not dug himself too deep he can't help there. One of those houses are going to the GOP. No way Obama gets re-elected.

Right now that's how it looks. The same thing occurs with many past presidents... BushII, Clinton (not so much Reagan). The one president who didn't take mush heat in the past 2 decades his first year was Bush1 and when the heat finally came, it was overwhelming. This criticism is going to have to remain high for that to happen.

[hope4dopes]

[SpurNation]

CG...ever thought about running for office? Your points are Spot On.

[hope4dopes]

Somebody throw nookuler a life vest.

[boutons_deux]

"republicans are moving more and more to the left"



The Repugs are so deep off the right end and in the fatal bear-hug of "Christian" racist supremacists that the Repugs are targeting their own moderate and moderate-right for replacement.

The ONLY region where the Repugs poll above the Dems is in the racist/"Christian" South.

[101A]

- Stop nominating tired old men because it's "their turn."
- Simplify the platform. Stick to low taxes, spending restraint, and free enterprise.
- Keep promises, no matter who's in power.

Oh, and never get caught looking things up on a white nationalist website. That would probably be a bad thing, right?

Who isn't a tired old man in the GOP these days?

For Obama NOT to get re-elected SOMEONE is going to have to run against him; a tired old man won't beat him, IMO (though POTUS is looking more and more old and tired by the day his own self). , the ONLY reason W got reelected was because the Dems put up such a lame ass as the other choice.

[101A]

CG...ever thought about running for office? Your points are Spot On.

When did that become a prerequisite?

[nuclearfm]

Pretty much. The democrats did a masterful job of saying "Bush sucks" while silently going along with pretty much everything Bush wanted to do. Which of course only gave them more ammo to use against him and the republicans.

Yup they did. But in all honesty, Bush was terrible. It got to the point Many Libertarian based groups opposed him and advocated Democrats.

The most urgent political task now is to topple the Republicans from power, if possible in the House and the Senate. This entails voting consistently Democratic, even if the opponent is a “good” Republican.

-Leonard Peikoff

[doobs]

How do you fix the GOP?


They definitely need better marketing. But the dems will give them plenty of material over the next few years.

You gotta wonder what the Republicans out there are cataloging and stockpiling to use against Obama and the Democrats, like gaffes and stupid remarks and questionable associations. With all of Obama's speechifying and such, I think there will be some deliciously entertaining political ads in 2010.

[doobs]

Who isn't a tired old man in the GOP these days?

For Obama NOT to get re-elected SOMEONE is going to have to run against him; a tired old man won't beat him, IMO (though POTUS is looking more and more old and tired by the day his own self). , the ONLY reason W got reelected was because the Dems put up such a lame ass as the other choice.

Yeah, but the Republicans seem to have a special affinity for tired old men. It's like they're thinking, hey, Reagan was old, why not nominated someone who's even older?

[SpurNation]

I think party les should be outlawed and eliminated from politics all together.

" o my name is ___________, I'm a candidate for office. Here's my views. Please vote for me in November."

[angrydude]

not betraying the voters trust when they do get elected would be a good start.

Stopping the fixation with dead topics such as abortion as a litmus test for candidates would be another. but that's never going to happen.

[coyotes_geek]

CG...ever thought about running for office? Your points are Spot On.

Nope. If I got into politics I'd be the one drinking the heaven's gate cool-aid.

Thanks for the compliment though.

[rjv]

After reading your post I went back and listened to the entirity of the Limbaugh link above. What, exactly, does he say that is racist? The poster who posted it said that that link PROVED he was a racist. I say he simply touched on taboo subjects, but didn't say anythign "racist" - he didn't claim black people are genetically inferior, or could not succeed because of their race; he said they are being held down and sold out by the very people who are their champions. If I missed something, tell me what it is; give me the time stamp.

i think you should reread my post one more time before making that request regarding the video on this thread. my comments in no way indicated that the comments in that specific video were racist.

[rjv]

the GOP has never really been fiscally conservative. they just spend their money on different things. pick your expenditure: after school programs or a star wars missile defense system.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I want ot help the GOP purge all of the moderates out of thier party. Where do I sign up for the purging?

[DarrinS]

Pelosi
Reid
Dodd
Waxman
Rangel
Boxer
Byrd
Durbin
Barney Frank
Schumer


But it's the GOP that needs fixing?




These people will help the GOP significantly.

[nuclearfm]

Pelosi
Reid
Dodd
Waxman
Rangel
Boxer
Byrd
Durbin
Barney Frank
Schumer


But it's the GOP that needs fixing?




These people will help the GOP significantly.

You know, I agree with a lot of those. However, Barney Frank isn't exactly partisan hack. People ignore a lot of his intellectual honesty and focus on his lisp.

[DarrinS]

You know, I agree with a lot of those. However, Barney Frank isn't exactly partisan hack. People ignore a lot of his intellectual honesty and focus on his lisp.

At least Frank doesn't try to defend ACORN like 99% of libs on this board do. Bill O is such a smug SOB in that video, but it's funny.