Spurs Sign Bogans, Jerrells and Dwayne Jones, Waive McClinton

[mountainballer]

Dumb move! He thinks he's too good for San Antonio's pre-season or Toros D-league. He didn't show up during Summer League.

It shouldn't have mattered if he didn't have a slot, the experience in itself would have been worth the investment.

Oh well!

oh well???????
you really judge a young player for trying to get into the NBA and for not exultantly going to d-league for ridiculous d-league money?
he would have been cut during Oktober anyhow. so why hurt the chances of a young player to find another team? of course his chance to find a team are better before camp, when many teams are still building their final roster. (something the Spurs already have done). to waive him now is just business and a player friendly politic by the Spurs.
if he can't get a NBA contract in the next 6 weeks, he can still join the Toros.
he knows that, his agent knows that, Spurs FO knows that, most Spurstalker know that.
why don't you get it?

[K-State Spur]

That would be my guess too. It's the only thing that really makes sense at this point.

Still, what a waste of a draft pick.

with the moves made this offseason, odds were long of anybody drafted there making the team. despite blair falling, this was still a very weak draft class.

with perfect hindsight, the best options would have been to:

a) trade the pick. but unless another team was eyeing a specific player who was falling (not as likely in this weak draft), the pick wouldn't have much - if any - value.

b) draft and stash another player. but we know how popular that strategy already is with spurs fans.

as is, they took a shot on a guy with some upside and it basically bombed out when he struggled so much in the summer league. technically, yeah that's a wasted pick, but only in the sense that any gamble that doesn't pay off is wasted.

[rjv]

this training camp is of the utmost importance to ian mahimini. he needs to stay healthy and show something in the minutes he gets in preseason games.

[lennyalderette]

i dont think the f.o is happy about this either, i also agree with the fella saying there is less of a chance that finley is leaving, im sure by the deadline if we get good offers for bonner and finley, like battier, which is a wet dream at this point then of course the f.o will pull the trigger and im sure they are trying to get the best deals, whatever happens, the trades we have made and the acquisitions so far are legit and we should be content because right now if were healthy we can def beat l.a

[lennyalderette]

aww man that sucks someone has the same pic as me!!!!!

[benefactor]

Look up the term "beating a dead horse"

Not to divert away from the topic...but what happened to completely deck?

[Bruno]

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports...situation.html

Jack McClinton in a familar situation

Posted by Shandel Richardson on September 24, 2009 10:51 AM

When former UM guard Jack McClinton was drafted by the San Antonio Spurs, he called it a "great fit."

That once comforting feeling turned into a pair of jeans three sizes too small. With the Spurs recently signing veteran guard Keith Bogans, rookie Curtis Jerrells and center Dwayne Jones, the 6-foot-1 McClinton saw his chances of making the team go from slim to none. The Spurs have 18 players on the rosters, but will have to cut three before the season begins.

McClinton likely would have been among the departures. His father said the Spurs had interest in sending McClinton to Europe for a season.He instead requested the Spurs release him and will pursue free agency.

"They (the Spurs) kept making it more and more obvious," Jack McClinton Sr. said. "Signing Keith Bogans was basically the last straw. He thought he could go in and unseat those guys, but they continued to sign other guys."

McClinton expects to know something in a couple weeks, but finding a team won't be easy because it's so late in the process. Most teams have their rosters set for the veterans camp, which begin Monday.

McClinton Sr., said he wishes the move would have been made sooner, but knows his son will battle back. He's been in these situations throughout his career. He was lightly recruited out of high school and landed at Siena before transferring to UM, where he became a two-time All-ACC player.

The knock on McClinton now is he has no true position in the NBA.

"He's been down about it and discouraged, but it's the story of Jack's life," McClinton Sr. said. "One day he's going to write a book about it."

[The Truth #6]

I think McClinton's position is valid. I see no reason to stick around if you aren't going to make the team. It's a business.

It's not going to get much easier for him elsewhere, however.

[SenorSpur]

Don't blame the guy for doing what's best for himself. However, let's not get this thing twisted, he absolutely sucked during SL. All young players come into the NBA thinking their games are tailor-made for the league. McClinton needs to realize that he's got work to do before he becomes an NBA-caliber player. If he already were, he would've likely gone in the 1st round.

Also, it's never a good idea to have immediate family members speaking on your behalf.

[Bruno]

When you look at minutes played last year:
Richard Jefferson: 36mpg
Manu Ginobili: 27mpg
Roger Mason: 30mpg
Michael Finley: 29mpg
Keith Bogans: 20mpg

It makes 142mpg while there is 96 mpg available at SG/SF. Add to that two prospects (Hairston and Williams) and Spurs are ridiculously stacked at SG/SF.

I also think that McClinton will have to learn to play some PG in Europe or D-League if he wants to have a chance of making it in the NBA. There are very few (no?) players as short as him playing only SG. Even Eddie House plays some PG in Boston.

[mountainballer]

the number of available wing minutes could be even more reduced, when assuming that Hill will play some minutes at the 2.

[wildbill2u]

The most likely explanation with McClinton is that he signed last week with a long shot of making the team. The addition of Bogans turned this long shot into no shot at all.

Having no shot of making the team, McClinton asked to be released or Spurs offered him to be released to try his chance elsewhere (other NBA training camp or in Europe).

McClinton twitter "big decisions to make right now,,, reall big decisions,,,,," makes me think that is was the second option and Spurs have been honest and nice with him.

Spurs are usually honest and nice with their players and draftees. Remember they let Scola go when they didn't have to. You can argue that was a big mistake, but very few teams FO would have made the gesture IMHO>

[Blackjack]

His father said the Spurs had interest in sending McClinton to Europe for a season. He instead requested the Spurs release him and will pursue free agency.

His father may bemoan the Spurs for not releasing him earlier, but they obviously wanted to keep him in the program and not just throw away a prospect. Asking him to go overseas for a year, in hopes that he could improve his game and find a place on the roster the following year, was absolutely the right move on the Spurs' behalf.

I don't have any problem with Jack deciding that that wasn't the route he was looking to take and asking for his release, but his father needs to realize how fortunate he was to be drafted by a team like the Spurs who actually granted him said release at a time when there was still a chance at catching on with someone else.

The Spurs could've just as easily lead him on with the idea that he could make the roster, cut him after camp when he'd have basically zero chance of catching on with a team because of the inability to showcase himself on a stacked Spurs TC roster, which would ultimately leave him ending up with two options: Overseas or the Toros? -- Which would've been much more to the Spurs' benefit, not in terms of Jack's feelings towards the Spurs, but by essentially eliminating any compe ion or market place for his services.

[The Truth #6]

Then you look at Gist who played a year in Europe and came back and looked way worse in SL as compared to the year before. Obviously, there's no guaranteed path to take. But yes, McClinton did suck in SL and needs to work on his game in hopes to find a niche in the NBA.

[z0sa]

does spurdotcom get a spur for breaking the news?

[SouthTexasRancher]

This is going to be one of the most interesting seasons I can remember as a Spurs fan. Pop is going to have some interesting options to play with. Hopefully we'll come together as NBA Champs this season.

[AFBlue]

I, for one, would love to see Jerrells with the Toros and eventually the Spurs. He overdribbles from time to time, but the guy is a flat out playmaker.

[Spursfan 87]

i think that McClinton made a bad decision. If the spurs wanted him to play in europe it was because they had plans for him, and they did not want to renounce to his draft rights. Just look, next year all of our shooter are free agents.

, ithe spurs were going to make him a favor, because in europe he can make more money right now than in the nba.

[Manufan909]

You know on second thought that doesn't seem likely. If McClinton were still under contract with the Spurs it might have been announced today along with any other signings.

I am shocked nothing has been said about Gist.

I would put money on the Toros. It seems from the limited sample size of this past SL that he prob won't ever be an SF. Hopefully he can be a tweener in preseason, and Pop likes what he sees. I'm too tired to the math right, but I'm pretty sure that for him to make the team, he'd have to be picked over either Hairston or Williams. Or even both, I can't remember if there's one spot or two. Considering the set-in-stone rotation is (barring trades)

Tony/George
Mason/Manu/Bogans
Jefferson/Finley
Tim/Bonner/Haislip
Dyess/Blair/Ian/Theo

I don't see any combo forwards making it as of now. There doesn't even look to be enough space for Hairston or Williams to squeeze in. Don't get me wrong, that looks like a solid team, but more than three pairs of fresh legs would be nice. I know Blair and Hill will be part of the 10-man rotation to start, hope Ian horns in on Dyess' and Bonner's minutes to be there too. , eleven days til the Rockets game, the wait is killing me!!!

[The Truth #6]

If the Spurs decide to move on from Ian, either via trade or just not extending his contract in the next few months, then it's possible there's another roster spot, however I'm not sure Gist would be considered for it unless he shines and some of the other Spurs underachieve, as in Haislip specifically because they're both small, athletic power forwards.

[Dr Cox]

bogans is a good sign...should bring some depth with experience

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm willing to bet especially with the signing of Bogans that the Spurs will go into Training camp with 2 things on their mind.

1) Is Mahimni showing progress and ready to produce? Or does Dwayne Jones make him irrelevant? They need to know by October 31st whether or not to pick up Mahimni's option of 1.78 million for the 2010/ 2011 season as Mel 13 said earlier in the thread.

2) With the signing of Bogans I'm sure himself and Mason will have their battles during training camp. Due to the stacked SG/ SF position Spurs FO will find out if Bogans makes Mason really expendable. Given that Mason is do for less minutes and less shots because of the arrival of RJ and a healthy Manu, Spurs best bet to get great value back for Mason could be before the season starts. ( Just a thought)

If Spurs find out that they don't think Mahimni is worth the 1.78 million option and if they feel Bogans makes Mason expendable, then look for the Spurs to package Mason/Finley/ Mahimni type deal for an upgrade in our 3rd SG/SF spot ( Behind Manu and RJ) with someone very versatile on both ends of the floor that can easily play at least 25 MPG. This would make Keith Bogans our 4th wing and Malik Hairston/ George Hill/ Marcus Williams our 5th-7th wing options respectively.

If that happens Spurs could go with something like this going into the season:

Starters

PG- Tony Parker 34 MPG
SG- Manu Ginobili 28 MPG
SF- Richard Jefferson 33 MPG
PF- Antonio McDyess 26 MPG
C- Tim Duncan 32 MPG

Bench
SF/PF- Andres Nocioni 25 MPG * For example*
PF- DeJuan Blair 18 MPG
PG- George Hill 16 MPG
PF/ C- Matt Bonner 12 MPG
SG/SF- Keith Bogans 10 MPG
C- Theo Ratliff 8 MPG

Total 240 MPG (48 MPG at the PG position, 96 on the wings, 96 for the 4/5)

Total Minutes Allocated during the course of a game at all positions is 240 minutes.

12th man- 15th man( 13-14 spots inactive list)- SG/ SF-Malik Hairston SG/SF/PG-Marcus Williams PF-SF Marcus Haislip.

Then leave the 15th spot open.

[jjktkk]

Listen, I'm not trying to over-dramatize this. Second round picks rarely turn into NBA players, and I've said in the past that McClinton needed some work on his all-around game to become an NBA player. However, he is still a heck of a shooter, and a guy the Spurs were high on heading into the draft. Now they've lost the rights to him without even getting to see what he can do in camp. No, it's not the end of the world, but there's nothing about the situation to be happy about; I can guarantee you the Spurs aren't happy about it either.

Your contradicting yourself. In your first post you said the Spurs wasted a draft pick on McClinton. Then in this post, you said 2nd rounds picks rarely turn into players. WTF. McClinton was a long shot to begin with. Not too many 6'0" shooting guards make in the NBA. Alot of people compared McClinton to Eddie House, but House has bounced around this league for several years before finding a home with Boston. Maybe McClinton makes it some day, but it will take a few years IMO.

[jjktkk]

I'm not saying they would. And who knows, I'm sure we have pieces Rockets would like to acquire say Mason/ Finley+ Splitter could maybe get that deal done. Not saying I would do it, but it could be possible.

I just think upgrading at the 3rd wing spot( behind Manu and Jefferson) with a more all around player than Mason would give us a better chance at number 5.

Basically you want a wing who is starting material as a reserve. Can't have all stars up and down the bench.

[MaNu4Tres]

Basically you want a wing who is starting material as a reserve. Can't have all stars up and down the bench.

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I have to respectfully disagree with you.