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Yes, the reporter got it wrong; some of what they were referring to was over Rock; so, I was wrong by extension.
You start by getting a leader who disassociates the GOP from wing-nut radio....they are turning people away from the GOP...
Yes, the reporter got it wrong; some of what they were referring to was over Rock; so, I was wrong by extension.
CO2 is not pollution; and does not make the air "unclean".
LOL, Look at them as they preach to you all about SCIENCE and religion. They, like the religious, also use selective observation to ignore facts that do not agree with their ideology.
You fools are getting so ing duped it is hilarious. Even now. What a joke. Enjoy bowing at your altar of faux compassion ignorant Goreworship as you let Government gain more control over the masses.
I will be sure to go extra heavy on the V8 pedal today in your honor
I think there's a strong possibility they will. It is too early to tell though. I am confident they will if the democrats in congress continue doing what they have been these last few months. They are finally showing their true colors to the voters.
What true colors are those? Saving us from the Bush depression? and Financial meltdown?
Getting rid of torture prisons overseas?
Scaling back laws by the Bush administration that stomp over our cons ution, something the GOP now wants to protect?
Wanting health-care for every freedom-loving American?
See, that 's exactly what I mean, the GOP isn't gonna win until it changes it's talking points....quit attacking...attacking....attacking, it's the GOP's reflexsive reaction, and start coming up with plans that people like...
Premature to say.
Nope.Getting rid of torture prisons overseas?
Nope.Scaling back laws by the Bush administration that stomp over our cons ution, something the GOP now wants to protect?
Warrantless wiretapping? Check.
State secrets privilege? Check.
Indefinite detention? Check.
Transferring prisoners detained out of theater to legal black holes like Bagram? Check.
Obama's using Bushian logic in the courts to keep the new powers his predecessor carved out for him. In this area, Obama isn't fighting the tide but drifting along with it.
Don't you mean new insurance mandates and fines for Americans who already can't afford insurance?Wanting health-care for every freedom-loving American?
What torture prison prisons?
16 million isn't every American.
So....nobody was ever tortured in GITMO?
what are their true colors?
No. That wasn't torture. That was illegal and unethical but not torture. Is that the only "torture prison overseas" you were talking about?
Actually, it fits the definition of torture as described by the Convention against Torture, of which the US was a signatory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...gainst_Torture
Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
– Convention Against Torture, Article 1.
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US does all this.The Covenant follows the structure of the UDHR and ICCPR, with a preamble and 33 articles, divided into three parts:
Part I (Articles 1-16) defines torture (Article 1), and commits parties to taking effective measures to prevent any act of torture in any territory under their jurisdiction (Article 2). These include ensuring that torture is a criminal offence (Article 4), establishing jurisdiction over acts of torture committed by or against a party's citizens (Article 5), ensuring that torture is an extraditable offence (Article 8), and establishing universal jurisdiction to try cases of torture where an alleged torturer cannot be extradited (Article 5). Parties must promptly investigate any allegation of torture (Articles 12 & 13), and victims of torture must have an enforceable right to compensation (Article 14). Parties must also ban the use of evidence produced by torture in their courts (Article 15), and are barred from deporting, extraditing or refouling people where there are substantial grounds for believing they will be tortured (Article 3).
Parties are also obliged to prevent other acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, and to investigate any allegation of such treatment within their jurisdiction (Article 16).
Part II (articles 17 - 24) governs reporting and monitoring of the Convention and the steps taken by the parties to implement it. It establishes the Committee against Torture (Article 17), and empowers it to investigate allegations of systematic torture (Article 20). It also establishes an optional dispute-resolution mechanism between parties (Articles 21) and allows parties to recognise the competence of the Committee to hear complaints from individuals about violations of the Convention by a party (Article 22).
Part III (Articles 25 - 33) governs ratification, entry into force, and amendment of the Convention. It also includes an optional arbitration mechanism for disputes between parties (Article 30).
Also what is torture? What you think severe pain or suffering is. Is loud music torture? The things that Americans did to get terrorists to confess, to me, was not torture.
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