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    Sad as it is, when I saw this thread le, this is the first thing that came to mind.


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    I like how all of a sudden Manny the aspiring weather guy is all of a sudden the military expert. Damn man you are a jack of all trades. Online poker phenom, weather guy, military expert and professional post critic bag. Calling the guy a ing moron? Little out of line.

    Lets see I don't agree with what you have to say so you sir are a ing moron.

    I like how all of a sudden Health Ledger, the aspiring Ron Popiel is all of a sudden a military expert. Damn man you are a jack of all trades. Vegas 1-2 poker phenom, Stun Gun expert, military expert, and professional post critic bag. Defending Wild Cobra? Little out of line.



    You see what I did there? Either prove what I've said about the military stuff is wrong or stfu imo.

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    If you aprioristically remove the threat of military intervention, you won't stop Iran from continuing to develop their program in the long-run.
    Not suggested. In fact, Obama suggests the opposite now. "All options are on the table," says Mr. Obama.

    I think the US Administration approach will more or less be "close your eyes and maybe the problem will disappear". That's their favourite modus operandis, as there's too much heterogeneity inside the Administration, they don't really have strategies (wasn't Obama supposed to have a "stronger, broader, etc." strategy "to win" the "war of necessity" in Afghanistan? After all, he doesn't have a clue about what to do, those were just words) or a doctrine about these issues, they are overinfluenced by polls and the President is unexprienced and more comfortabel with words than with actions. I think that in the next 4 years the US will be more comfortable as a follower than as a leader, pretty much like in the late 70s (that's not necessarly bad).
    Much depends on whether Russia and China will go along with UN sanctions. If they do, the US has a credible stick hand. If not, more of the good cop/bad cop routine.

    Besides plunging the whole region into war *preemptively*, bombing Iran's nuclear facilities would do little more than put off the inevitable for a few more years, and what could better demonstrate the positive need for nuclear armaments to Iran than a premptive Israeli attack?

    Personally, I have a hard time seeing why preemptive attack is a better strategy than containment plus sanctions and, if possible, very intrusive inspections. It seems to me we're closer to acheiving that now than we have been in a long time. Three months (per the G-8 ultimatum upstream) doesn't seem too long to wait to determine whether we've reached the end of the current track.

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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6851981.ece

    Tens of thousands of US troops lie within range of Iranian missiles right now.

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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6851981.ece

    Tens of thousands of US troops lie within range of Iranian missiles right now.
    true. but millions and milllions of Arabs lie within range of USA missiles right now.

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    I just don't understand how militarizing that area any ing more is a good idea. What happens when Iran decides to hold all tanker traffic hostage? What happens when the Strait of Hormuz becomes an area Iran decides to let a few missiles fly?

    In case you guys haven't noticed, Iran has leverage.

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    true. but millions and milllions of Arabs lie within range of USA missiles right now.
    You missed the point he was making.

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    It is safe to say that if Israel sits idle sooner or later a suitcase bomb will show up in their backyard. Probably about 90 percent to happen.
    Is there any such thing as a suitcase bomb?

    I just do not see them doing nothing about this, they will see where diplomacy leads first but Iran seems more than willing to defy the world to become a world super power.
    Iran will never be a super power. But a nuclear device could make them regionally important.

    We deterred and contained the USSR successfully for over forty years. What makes you think Iran couldn't be similarly managed?

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    Spheres of influence is a hard pill to swallow for today's NeoCon.

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    You missed the point he was making.
    nope

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    I like how all of a sudden Health Ledger, the aspiring Ron Popiel is all of a sudden a military expert. Damn man you are a jack of all trades. Vegas 1-2 poker phenom, Stun Gun expert, military expert, and professional post critic bag. Defending Wild Cobra? Little out of line.



    You see what I did there? Either prove what I've said about the military stuff is wrong or stfu imo.
    Your missing the point dumbass you called someone a ing moron because you disagreed with his post.

    For your information, I was an electronics tech in the Navy and I worked on Missile systems, radar equipment, sonar tech equipment, crypto equipment etc.

    You can pretend to be mr. know it all armchair general all you want. But I can assure you what you read about and what is actual truth are totally different than actual reality.

    You see what I did there?

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    Your missing the point dumbass you called someone a ing moron because you disagreed with his post.

    For your information, I was an electronics tech in the Navy and I worked on Missile systems, radar equipment, sonar tech equipment, crypto equipment etc.

    You can pretend to be mr. know it all armchair general all you want. But I can assure you what you read about and what is actual truth are totally different than actual reality.

    You see what I did there?
    You'd think they'd require you to be able to read before joining the Navy. Here's a hint: I didn't call WC a moron because I disagreed with him.

    Oh and what was I wrong about?

    B2s will be used as escorts now? Isreal's going to attack this target with sub launched cruise missiles? We're going to sell Israel F117s?

    I don't need to be commander in ing chief to know stupidity when I see it.

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    Is there any such thing as a suitcase bomb?

    Yes. Although Iran is about a century away from that.

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    You'd think they'd require you to be able to read before joining the Navy. Here's a hint: I didn't call WC a moron because I disagreed with him.

    Oh and what was I wrong about?

    B2s will be used as escorts now? Isreal's going to attack this target with sub launched cruise missiles? We're going to sell Israel F117s?

    I don't need to be commander in ing chief to know stupidity when I see it.
    A+

    Morons defending morons.

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    Israel has the resources to retrofit any kind of payload they want coming from their subs. They have time, money and the motivation to get it done.

    It is safe to say that if Israel sits idle sooner or later a suitcase bomb will show up in their backyard. Probably about 90 percent to happen.

    I just do not see them doing nothing about this, they will see where diplomacy leads first but Iran seems more than willing to defy the world to become a world super power.
    Looks like we are in complete agreement on this issue.

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    F117 and B2's as escorts: The biggest advantage of these planes moron, is that they're stealth aircraft. Sending them in as "escorts" with other aircraft which are not stealth kinda defeats the purpose of using a stealth aircraft. Can you figure out why?
    Yes, I know they are stealth aircraft. We all make mistakes from time to time. The escort thought was mine. So what.

    Do you walk on water?
    Sub launched cruise missiles: Not accurate enough and not effective on hardened underground target. Just a stupid suggestion.
    Bull .

    The new cruise missiles use the latest in GPS technology. There's also no reason keeping them from flying to a high al ude just before the target and either having a bunker buster built in, or being the carrier for one.
    There's a reason they've been practicing a tactical mission with tactical aircraft. Maybe you can figure it out.
    Have I said otherwise? Maybe you can figure out that misdirection is a also a common military tactic. Make the enemy believe one thing, wasting their resources to prepare for such an event, then catch them off guard with a different tactic.

    You're the ing moron.

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    Looks like we are in complete agreement on this issue.
    Figures.

    Suitcase bomb prophecies from a country who has not even successfully tested a nuclear weapon...

    You guys might as well preach how likely liza minelli's next laugh is likely vaporizes the country of Israel. It's about the same odds.

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    In case you guys haven't noticed, Iran has leverage.
    Only because pussies are allowed to vote and be politicians.

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    Only because pussies are allowed to vote and be politicians.
    and neoconservativism comes out of the cellar...

    Hi again!

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    Is there any such thing as a suitcase bomb?
    Absolutely.

    Nuclear bombs can be made pretty small. I could tell you how small, but then I'd have to kill you, or go to jail.

    Opps... Go to jail anyway if I was caught.

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    play soldiers lol

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    Absolutely.

    Nuclear bombs can be made pretty small. I could tell you how small, but then I'd have to kill you, or go to jail.

    Opps... Go to jail anyway if I was caught.

    Sure buddy. (WC now is nuclear scientist thanks to the internet)

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    You'd think they'd require you to be able to read before joining the Navy. Here's a hint: I didn't call WC a moron because I disagreed with him.

    Oh and what was I wrong about?

    B2s will be used as escorts now? Isreal's going to attack this target with sub launched cruise missiles? We're going to sell Israel F117s?

    I don't need to be commander in ing chief to know stupidity when I see it.

    I think someone forgot to take their meds today.

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    If yes, absolutely, perhaps you can give a link that verifies it.

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    Figures.

    Suitcase bomb prophecies from a country who has not even successfully tested a nuclear weapon...

    You guys might as well preach how likely liza minelli's next laugh is likely vaporizes the country of Israel. It's about the same odds.
    I doubt they would get to that level myself, but who knows with all the leaks we have had over the last few years. The technology isn't as hard as knowing how to do it. Once the secret is out...

    Besides, it doesn't have to be the latest and greatest. Ever see the movie "The Manhattin Project" where a High School kid makes a nuclear bomb?

    They can really be made that size! Not small enough to fit in a suitcase, but easily portable.

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