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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    he doesn't respect his daughters.

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    It's also a job killer for USA jobs. Corporations contracting with the DoD will simply subcontract out to companies under a different nation's jurisdiction.


    All so they can avoid the possibility that an employee might sue for sexual harassment??

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    If it makes you more comfortable, here is an article from RightPundits.com.
    Personally I have no problem with the Franken Amendment, besides the fact that it singles out Halliburton, which Democrats love to use as their favorite boogey man next to Karl Rove. Actually, I don’t get why so many Republicans voted against it. Do we really want to say that victims of sexual assault can’t get access to courts to sue their employer. I’m all in favor of arbitration and mediation, but those types of alternate dispute resolution were not really set up to handle victims of rape or sexual assault, they are more for contractual issues, pay issues, etc. We should have judges and juries of our peers evaluating these kinds of important cases. The biggest strike against arbitration is that they are nearly impossible to appeal, so once the case is decided, there is nothing you can do after that point.

    Sen. Sessions, who did vote against the bill, argued that this gives Congress too much power to alter employment contracts of private companies and that it went against the recommendation of the Defense Department, but eh, I don’t think those concerns outweigh the concerns that rape victims should have more legal protections.

    So, as much as I hate to say it, good on you Sen. Franken. I think your incessant hounding of Halliburton is childish, but over all, the Franken Amendment probably accomplishes something worthwhile.
    Heretic! He must be purged!

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    Man they grow 'em smart up there in Oregon.

    WC continues to prove how much of a joke he is.

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    the men were just being men and she doesn't deserve her day in court.

    ship her to gitmo.

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    Ok, I didn't make that up...Wild Cobra actually typed that himself. That 19 year old girl and her lawyer are going to kill jobs because she has the audacity to sue for her wrongful imprisonment and rape.
    My God man. Are you really that re ed? I never said she didn't have a valid case.

    You don't pass bad law to protect from someone or something needing protection. Pass a law that's good and addresses the concerns without creating more problems. Maybe that felonies cannot be shielded by arbitration. This amendment is too open to abuse.

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    Man they grow 'em smart up there in Oregon.

    WC continues to prove how much of a joke he is.
    You show your ignorance for not understanding the bad in the amendment. You are the joke.

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    So Republicans are against imaginary child pros ution but for real rape.

    Sounds about right.

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    I show my ignorance for not understanding the amendment. I am joke.
    SEC. 8104. (a) None of the funds appropriated
    or otherwise made available by this
    Act may be used
    for any existing or new Federal
    contract if the contractor or a subcontractor
    at any tier requires that an employee
    or independent contractor, as a condition of
    employment, sign a contract that mandates
    that the employee or independent contractor
    performing work under the contract or subcontract
    resolve through arbitration any
    claim under le VII of the Civil Rights Act
    of 1964 or any tort related to or arising out
    of sexual assault or harassment, including
    assault and battery, intentional infliction of
    emotional distress, false imprisonment, or
    negligent hiring, supervision, or retention.

    (b) The prohibition in subsection (a) does
    not apply with respect to employment contracts
    that may not be enforced in a court of
    the United States.

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    My God man. Are you really that re ed? I never said she didn't have a valid case.

    You don't pass bad law to protect from someone or something needing protection. Pass a law that's good and addresses the concerns without creating more problems. Maybe that felonies cannot be shielded by arbitration. This amendment is too open to abuse.
    Look who you are writing to. They don't use logic. They think welfare helps poor people.

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    You know, another thing that makes this bad law is that it was already ruled in her favor for a lawsuit by the Court of Appeals.

    Again, you don't pass bad law with good law.

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    So Republicans are against imaginary child pros ution but for real rape.

    Sounds about right.
    Is abortion in the first and second trimester murder?

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    no

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    Look who you are writing to. They don't use logic. They think welfare helps poor people.
    Other people read this thread, enlighten them. Explain in detail why this particular admendment is so harmful.

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    Hmmm. I'm not entirely sure about this. The story doesn't seem to be as objectively written as it should be.

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    Is abortion in the first and second trimester murder?
    Not according to the Supreme Court decision.

    If you want to pass an amendment, get on that.

    Now, why are you in favor of real rape?

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    if she got pregnant from the rape and got an abortion...she should be tried for murder.

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    You know, another thing that makes this bad law is that it was already ruled in her favor for a lawsuit by the Court of Appeals.
    Which is being appealed by Halliburton.

    Again, you don't pass bad law with good law.
    How is withholding government funding from corporations that shield themselves from due process a bad law?

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    How is withholding government funding from corporations that shield themselves from due process a bad law?
    The restriction simply goes too far. I'm not saying a law shouldn't be passed to protect peoples tort rights, just not this law.

    Consider carefully the impact of part (b). All a corporation has to do that contracts for the DoD is sub-contract with companies of other nationalities, which shields them from this law. Do you really think this wont push them to do just that?

    Isn't this going too far:
    or negligent hiring, supervision, or retention
    What does that mean anyway? Rather than allowing arbitration, you must sue if you have a bad manager maybe? How much fun do you think trial lawyers will have with that? Way too open to interpretation for my taste.

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    How about you just make sure your employees don't go off and rape/imprison their co-workers and the employer doesn't even have to worry about this.

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    I suppose that's too much to ask.

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    If it makes you more comfortable, here is an article from RightPundits.com.
    LOL...

    That's a joke of a site. Is there a single link that doesn't go to an advertisement, or through google?

    Yes, the right has some loonies too, and the story is wrong.

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    The restriction simply goes too far. I'm not saying a law shouldn't be passed to protect peoples tort rights, just not this law.

    Consider carefully the impact of part (b). All a corporation has to do that contracts for the DoD is sub-contract with companies of other nationalities, which shields them from this law. Do you really think this wont push them to do just that?

    Isn't this going too far:

    What does that mean anyway? Rather than allowing arbitration, you must sue if you have a bad manager maybe? How much fun do you think trial lawyers will have with that? Way too open to interpretation for my taste.
    Ah, so this is all a matter of "taste".

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    wc will side with a company that hires people that can get away with rape.

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