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    I see the GOP is continuing to do a bang up job at picking fights they can't win.
    With supermajority in congress and the Presidency, what fight has Obama won?
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    I see the Dream Team of Spursncowboys and Wild Cobra are still at it. Comendible I suppose.

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    With supermajority in congress and the Presidency, what fight has Obama won?
    CG is a conservative. Don't get your panties in a wad over protecting your precious Republican party. Ideologue much?

    To me CG comes off as a nonpartisan conservative to boot.

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    With supermajority in congress and the Presidency, what fight has Obama won?
    None. But that doesn't make the republicans look any smarter for picking this fight.

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    CG is a conservative. Don't get your panties in a wad over protecting your precious Republican party. Ideologue much?

    To me CG comes off as a nonpartisan conservative to boot.
    Fiscal conservative, social moderate.

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    Either way, SnC is a complete hack who somehow believes he is enlightened and understands all.

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    I see the Dream Team of Spursncowboys and Wild Cobra are still at it. Comendible I suppose.
    You're right. I sent off an e-mail to the a representative of the Machinists Union that covers the Portland area Boeing workers, asking if this would make them lose contracts to Airbus or change their contacts pertaining to arbitration...

    Just stirring the pot...

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    You're right. I sent off an e-mail to the a representative of the Machinists Union that covers the Portland area Boeing workers, asking if this would make them lose contracts to Airbus or change their contacts pertaining to arbitration...

    Just stirring the pot...
    Does Airbus get to rape their empolyees too? You know, maybe Roman Polanski should've incorporated himself and made wartime propaganda films...he'd be much better off having the full force of the pro-rape military industrial complex behind him than a couple of batty Hollywood twits.

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    Does Airbus get to rape their empolyees too? You know, maybe Roman Polanski should've incorporated himself and made wartime propaganda films...he'd be much better off having the full force of the pro-rape military industrial complex behind him than a couple of batty Hollywood twits.
    It has nothing to do with that, but the difficulty in requiring business to make necessary contract changes with their employes. That does bot apply to corporations that do not fall under USA jurisdiction. Part of the legislation:

    (b) The prohibition in subsection (a) does
    not apply
    with respect to employment contracts
    that may not be enforced in a court of
    the United States
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    You see, Airbus is immune from the legislation, but Boeing isn't. Seems to me it makes Airbus the preference of the DoD for lack of legal difficulties.

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    It has nothing to do with that, but the difficulty in requiring business to make necessary contract changes with their employes. That does bot apply to corporations that do not fall under USA jurisdiction. Part of the legislation:


    You see, Airbus is immune from the legislation, but Boeing isn't. Seems to me it makes Airbus the preference of the DoD for lack of legal difficulties.
    I will ask you the same question I asked sprusncowboys: Do you support taxpayer money subsidizing corporations that use arbitration to sheild themselves from charges of rape and assault?

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    I will ask you the same question I asked sprusncowboys: Do you support taxpayer money subsidizing corporations that use arbitration to sheild themselves from charges of rape and assault?
    I don't support subsidization. Not for welfare, not for corn farmers, not for anything. What are you talking about? This is a contract for services, not subsidization.

    I'll ask you again. Why just the DoD? Why not all government contracts?

    Now I agree that arbitration is not a subs ution for the justice system dealing with a crime. In all cases. Not just this case.

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    I will ask you the same question I asked sprusncowboys: Do you support taxpayer money subsidizing corporations that use arbitration to sheild themselves from charges of rape and assault?
    Main Entry: sub·si·dize
    Pronunciation: \ˈsəb-sə-ˌdīz, -zə-\
    Function: transitive verb
    Inflected Form(s): sub·si·dized; sub·si·diz·ing
    Date: 1769
    : to furnish with a subsidy: as a : to purchase the assistance of by payment of a subsidy b : to aid or promote (as a private enterprise) with public money <subsidize soybean farmers> <subsidize public transportation>
    sub·si·di·za·tion \ˌsəb-sə-də-ˈzā-shən, -zə-\ noun
    sub·si·diz·er noun
    No I do not support subsidies going to corp. that use arbitration to shield themselves from rape and assault charges. also do not support the school system that taught you.

    Are we talking about bail-outs here or Govt. contracts? SUbsidies like ACORN?

    Are the arbitration clauses from Halliburton in the contract specifically for shielding from rape and assault? I do not think Halliburton hires people with the idea that they might be raping a fellow employee. You are also making arbitration into a always bad thing. Libs always want to find bad guys, except when they are killing Americans and waging war with us.

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    I don't support subsidization. Not for welfare, not for corn farmers, not for anything. What are you talking about? This is a contract for services, not subsidization.

    I'll ask you again. Why just the DoD? Why not all government contracts?
    Sound good to me. Unfortunately, Franken's admendment only pertains to defense contractors because, as I've tried to explain repeatedly to both of you, this was a defense spending bill.

    No I do not support subsidies going to corp. that use arbitration to shield themselves from rape and assault charges. also do not support the school system that taught you.

    Are we talking about bail-outs here or Govt. contracts? SUbsidies like ACORN?

    Are the arbitration clauses from Halliburton in the contract specifically for shielding from rape and assault? I do not think Halliburton hires people with the idea that they might be raping a fellow employee. You are also making arbitration into a always bad thing. Libs always want to find bad guys, except when they are killing Americans and waging war with us.
    Sure. Pretend Halliburton's no-bid contract doesn't amount to a subsidy. And while your at it, keep pretending corporations don't enjoy an overwhelming advantage in arbitration hearings. You're such a tool.

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    blah, blah, corporate brochure...
    WTF? Do you work for Haliburton or something? Are you recruiting for some fresh meat?

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    Sure. Pretend Halliburton's no-bid contract doesn't amount to a subsidy. And while your at it, keep pretending corporations don't enjoy an overwhelming advantage in arbitration hearings. You're such a tool.
    Hmmm...

    You guys are still on that one. Do you have a clue how many contracts Halliburton has with the US government and how many were bid on and how many weren't?

    Just because one was not bid on doesn't mean all were. In fact, the contract they didn't bid on dealt with rebuilding of the expected war damage of the oil facilities that Halliburtan built, had the blueprints, and spare parts for.

    Did you know that? Did you also know that the there was only one other company that dealt with oil facilities construction that could have done the job? It was a French company, and it would have meant either slow progress, or mandating Halliburton turn over their designs and blueprints.

    Halliburton already had several other contracts with the military that were bid on. Did you know that?

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    Sound good to me. Unfortunately, Franken's admendment only pertains to defense contractors because, as I've tried to explain repeatedly to both of you, this was a defense spending bill.
    They do it all the time, attach amendments that pertain to other things.

    Why part (b)? Why not require all contacts with foreign companies abide by the same guidelines?

    Why add the last part of section (a)? Can you explain that one please. Why is arbitration not allowed for non criminal activities?

    Why are you willing to pass a bad law just because of one type of incident?

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    Hmmm...

    You guys are still on that one. Do you have a clue how many contracts Halliburton has with the US government and how many were bid on and how many weren't?

    Just because one was not bid on doesn't mean all were. In fact, the contract they didn't bid on dealt with rebuilding of the expected war damage of the oil facilities that Halliburtan built, had the blueprints, and spare parts for.

    Did you know that? Did you also know that the there was only one other company that dealt with oil facilities construction that could have done the job? It was a French company, and it would have meant either slow progress, or mandating Halliburton turn over their designs and blueprints.

    Halliburton already had several other contracts with the military that were bid on. Did you know that?
    Halliburton gets away with charging us $45 for every 6-pack of Coke provided to the troops. Did you know that?

    ...but that's not technically a "subsidy" so it's all good right WC?

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    They do it all the time, attach amendments that pertain to other things.

    Why part (b)? Why not require all contacts with foreign companies abide by the same guidelines?

    Why add the last part of section (a)? Can you explain that one please. Why is arbitration not allowed for non criminal activities?

    Why are you willing to pass a bad law just because of one type of incident?
    Didn't Halliburton move their HQ to Dubai?

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    Halliburton gets away with charging us $45 for every 6-pack of Coke provided to the troops. Did you know that?

    ...but that's not technically a "subsidy" so it's all good right WC?
    Hmmm...

    How much does a six pack cost these days? about $4?

    OK... How much is shipping, refrigeration, and transport in a war zone? Don't tell me you think they are profiting more than $40 per six pack.

    Want to blame someone for that one, blame the Clinton administration for stripping the military supply system of soldiers and replacing that aspect with civilians. It doesn't matter who the contractor is. You pay a pair of truck drivers 6ix figures and the associated help, security, etc... All goods are going to be expensive.

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    Didn't Halliburton move their HQ to Dubai?
    I think so. Still, the US employees they have fall under US jurisdiction.

    I know... They can hire Mexicans... That might alleviate the illegal immigrations if they hire citizens from other nations. Then they don't have to deal with this fascist/authoritarian .

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    Halliburton gets away with charging us $45 for every 6-pack of Coke provided to the troops. Did you know that?

    ...but that's not technically a "subsidy" so it's all good right WC?
    Steaks on friday too. It still costs the Govt. less than if they did it with mil. personnel.

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    Hmmm...

    How much does a six pack cost these days? about $4?

    OK... How much is shipping, refrigeration, and transport in a war zone? Don't tell me you think they are profiting more than $40 per six pack.
    Yes, WC, I'm sure Halliburton pays retail for each 6-pack of coke it sells. And I'm sure it' costs them $40 per to ship and stock it.

    The stupid, it burns...

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    No profit goes unpunished

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    Yes, WC, I'm sure Halliburton pays retail for each 6-pack of coke it sells. And I'm sure it' costs them $40 per to ship and stock it.

    The stupid, it burns...
    Show me the numbers please.

    I don't care if coke is 5 cents a can wholesale. You have high paid civilians in a war zone. Tell me that doesn't substantially add to the costs of food and goods moved by them rather than military personnel.

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