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    oh, you didn't see it live.

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    intent. no big deal. it wasn't one of his brightest moments.
    His intent was to criticize the media for hyping McNabb.

    yeah, he should just move on, or pretend to be a victim. what do you think he'll do?
    I don't pretend to know what he'll do.

    I'd like to see Sharpton's tactics rebuked by him becoming an owner but, I don't think the NFL has the stomach for that. I'd also like to see Sharpton's ass dragged into court for libel and defamation and that is a possibility in this case.

    Limbaugh has the money to make that happen.

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    none of this would have happened without his "big reveal".

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    Roll the tape...


    You'll notice there are three blacks on that panel. Somebody can be heard agreeing with the comment. I don't know if it was one of the three but, certainly, none of them disagreed with Limbaugh's comment.

    I wish I could find a longer clip that shows any reaction by the other four after the comment but, I can't.
    Sounds to me he didn't have any proof that the media was favorably siding with McNabb because of race. Sounds to me Rush was race baiting without any proof. And can we not play the 'Here is a Black guy that agrees with me so my opinion is validated game.'

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    Regarding the McNabb incident what proof did Rush Limbaugh have that the media was supposedly playing favorites because of McNabb's race? Why did Rush resort to playing the race card?
    It was an opinion. You're free to disagree.

    I believe the media wanted to be able to report on the first black president and, as such, hyped him to near messianic proportions. That's an opinion.

    Neither my opinion nor the one about McNabb is racist.

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    oh, you didn't see it live.
    It was broadcast incessantly for about two weeks. I don't even remember if I was watching the show or not.

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    It was broadcast incessantly for about two weeks. I don't even remember if I was watching the show or not.
    yeah, not too bright.

    he should have kept his little secret.

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    Sounds to me he didn't have any proof that the media was favorably siding with McNabb because of race. Sounds to me Rush was race baiting without any proof. And can we not play the 'Here is a Black guy that agrees with me so my opinion is validated game.'
    That's your characterization.

    I think we would need to see the amount of media coverage McNabb was receiving in the beginning of the '03 season and compare that to his stats to see if Limbaugh had any reason to make the statement.

    I've slept since then but, I seem to recall him or someone making just that case in the period after he was fired. As was said, McNabb was having a sub par year. If the media coverage ignored that, one could wonder why, no?

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    It was an opinion. You're free to disagree.

    I believe the media wanted to be able to report on the first black president and, as such, hyped him to near messianic proportions. That's an opinion.

    Neither my opinion nor the one about McNabb is racist.
    And people believe that Rush is a racist. It is an opinion you are free to disagree. But why did he resort to the race card? I thought you were against that sort of thing.

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    yeah, not too bright.

    he should have kept his little secret.
    Well, you'll forgive me if I don't share your rush to judgement on this. I have first hand experience with your lower-than-Sharpton threshold for declaring someone a racist.

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    Well, you'll forgive me if I don't share your rush to judgement on this. I have first hand experience with your lower-than-Sharpton threshold for declaring someone a racist.
    i didn't have to make a conclusion.

    he provided it for me.

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    That's your characterization.

    I think we would need to see the amount of media coverage McNabb was receiving in the beginning of the '03 season and compare that to his stats to see if Limbaugh had any reason to make the statement.

    I've slept since then but, I seem to recall him or someone making just that case in the period after he was fired. As was said, McNabb was having a sub par year. If the media coverage ignored that, one could wonder why, no?
    Well just because he was recieving favorable media coverage doesn't neccessarily mean that it was because of race. Race was introduced to that situation by Rush.

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    And people believe that Rush is a racist. It is an opinion you are free to disagree.
    My disagreement is based on the fact they've resorted to fabricating quotes to make their argument.

    But why did he resort to the race card? I thought you were against that sort of thing.
    I don't think he "resorted" to anything. He believed the media was hyping McNabb because of his race. I'm certain he (or someone) explained the argument at the time. I'll have to see if I can find it...I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the media to report Limbaugh's justification for the comment.

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    My disagreement is based on the fact they've resorted to fabricating quotes to make their argument.


    I don't think he "resorted" to anything. He believed the media was hyping McNabb because of his race. I'm certain he (or someone) explained the argument at the time. I'll have to see if I can find it...I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the media to report Limbaugh's justification for the comment.
    I look forward to you finding it. I will keep an open mind. Good day sir.

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    I have first hand experience with your lower-than-Sharpton threshold for declaring someone a racist.
    yeah, you should have kept yours a secret, too.

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    Well just because he was recieving favorable media coverage doesn't neccessarily mean that it was because of race. Race was introduced to that situation by Rush.
    That depends.

    If we can find a pattern of articles that contain references to McNabb's race in the context of how great a quarterback he is in '03, when he's having a subpar year, I think that would be justification.

    That's over 5 years ago but, I seem to remember that being the justification at the time.

    Not to the degree but, similar to, the way the press hyped the fact that Obama would be the first black president. It was a huge part of the reporting during the campaign.

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    And people believe that Rush is a racist. It is an opinion you are free to disagree. But why did he resort to the race card? I thought you were against that sort of thing.
    People believe he is a racist because of propaganda and slander.

    Is that right?

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    Fox's movements were exaggerated because he purposely didn't take his meds:

    Story about Fox

    Rush gets criticized for noteing this...

    When will you guys stop with the hate?
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    People believe he is a racist because of propaganda and slander.

    Is that right?
    Well that is your opinion. I don't listen to Rush so I wouldn't feel right answering that question.

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    obvious to everyone, a black man was soon to be elected president.

    ....and yoni couldn't wait to share his story of a personal encounter with a black man.

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    I look forward to you finding it. I will keep an open mind. Good day sir.
    Here's a contemporaneous piece from Slate; not exactly a publication known to be in the tank for Rush Limbaugh.

    Rush Limbaugh Was Right
    Donovan McNabb isn't a great quarterback, and the media do overrate him because he is black.
    ...
    Limbaugh is being excoriated for making race an issue in the NFL. This is hypocrisy. I don't know of a football writer who didn't regard the dearth of black NFL quarterbacks as one of the most important issues in the late '80s and early '90s. (The topic really caught fire after 1988, when Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins became the first black quarterback to win a Super Bowl.)

    So far, no black quarterback has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black. To pretend that many of us didn't want McNabb to be the best quarterback in the NFL because he's black is absurd. To say that we shouldn't root for a quarterback to win because he's black is every bit as nonsensical as to say that we shouldn't have rooted for Jackie Robinson to succeed because he was black. (Please, I don't need to be reminded that McNabb's situation is not so difficult or important as Robinson's—I'm talking about a principle.)

    Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media haven't overrated Donovan McNabb because he's black. I'm sorry to have to say it; he is the quarterback for a team I root for. Instead of calling him overrated, I wish I could be admiring his Super Bowl rings. But the truth is that I and a great many other sportswriters have chosen for the past few years to see McNabb as a better player than he has been because we want him to be.
    It seems to me Limbaugh's opinion wasn't too far off the mark according to this guy.

    His critics have had five years to re-write the history of the McNabb incident and make it out to be some horrible affront to humanity. This article, written four days after the broadcast, is a bit more level-headed.

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    He was calling the MSM racist. What is wrong with bringing that up. I remember that week ESPN put up the stats and McNabb wasn't holding up.

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    Why did Rush resort to playing the race card?
    Is this coming from a Liberal?

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