Source: Braylon Edwards Traded To Jets

[Thunder Dan]

, Brett Favre had some of his worst seasons and everyone thought he was done until Ryan Grant broke out in 2007 when he averaged over 5 yards a carry. Then all of a sudden Favre was revived. Farve "resurrected" his career with help of Grant in 2007, Thomas Jones in 2008, and now he has one of the best Runningbacks ever and he looks unbelievable.

Ryan Grant doesn't look great this year, but he looks alot better than a 40 year old Jamal Lewis. Teams actually have to gameplan for Grant, with Lewis they can play pass and still stop his slow ass

[Thunder Dan]

and not only that, the Browns defense is pathetic so they get into games where they have to pass 65-70% of the time just to try to catch up which doesn't exactly help Quarterbacks. Unless you are Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning (which aren't even good examples because they still have the ability to run) QB's will not succeed when the defense knows you are going to pass the ball. That is when sacks happen, and that is when INT's happen. Running opens your passing game, and you can't really run the ball when you are down by 20 points at halftime like the Browns are just about every week.


And while I'm talking defense, the Browns defense doesn't help the QB with field position. The Browns are close to last in the league in 3 and outs, which means they are always getting the ball in their own territory which means instead of going 60 yards for a score, they have to go 80+. The is alot more that can go wrong in that 20 yard difference, and most of the time it does go wrong.

[JoeTait75]

are you comparing the weapons the Browns have with those of the Packers? I hope you aren't. Jennings alone is better than all Browns skill players combined

The Browns are a of a lot better at left tackle than the Packers are, and that goes a long way toward helping a quarterback be successful.

At some point we're going to have to nut up and look for a franchise quarterback, even if we don't have a perfect supporting case around him.

[Thunder Dan]

if you look at the numbers from Tom Brady's incredible 2007 season, 58% of his TD drives were less than 65 yards. That is just as much a stat for the defense as it is for Tom Brady.

I can't even remember the last time the Browns forced a 3 and out and got the ball on their own 40 yard line or closer and I watch every game

[Thunder Dan]

The Browns are a of a lot better at left tackle than the Packers are, and that goes a long way toward helping a quarterback be successful.

At some point we're going to have to nut up and look for a franchise quarterback, even if we don't have a perfect supporting case around him.

yeah but left tackle isn't the whole line. Thomas can be the best tackle in the world but it doesn't mean anything if they are filling piece of guards and centers every year like they have been doing for 10 years now. You gotta draft a line, have them play together for a couple years and then you will have a solid line. Lines are built by having played together. You can't just patchwork new lines together every year and expect to win. You gotta deveolp the 2 most important positions (center and LT) and add solid pieces, and you won't see benefits right away, it takes time.


and I wouldn't say we are a of alot better as Clifton is also a Pro Bowler even though he is hurt at this time.

[JoeTait75]

Dan, we didn't exactly "draft the line" that protected Bernie Kosar during his best years of 1986 and '87. The highest drafted guy on that line was Mike Baab, who was a 5th-rounder. We didn't have a single first-round pick on the front line of the receiving corps: Webster Slaughter was a 2nd-rounder, Brian Brennan was a 4th-rounder, and Reggie Langhorne was a 7th-rounder. How about the backfield? Nope- Earnest Byner was a 10th-rounder, Kevin Mack was a refugee from the USFL, and Herman Fontenot wasn't even drafted at all.

The only other 1st-round pick on that entire offense, besides Bernie, was Ozzie Newsome- and he was way over the hill by then anyway.

Point is, a quarterback can make an average supporting cast look a lot better than average if he's effective enough. And I'm of the belief that if we find the right guy at quarterback, he can come right in and make this team better.

[Thunder Dan]

Dan, we didn't exactly "draft the line" that protected Bernie Kosar during his best years of 1986 and '87. The highest drafted guy on that line was Mike Baab, who was a 5th-rounder. We didn't have a single first-round pick on the front line of the receiving corps: Webster Slaughter was a 2nd-rounder, Brian Brennan was a 4th-rounder, and Reggie Langhorne was a 7th-rounder. How about the backfield? Nope- Earnest Byner was a 10th-rounder, Kevin Mack was a refugee from the USFL, and Herman Fontenot wasn't even drafted at all.

The only other 1st-round pick on that entire offense, besides Bernie, was Ozzie Newsome- and he was way over the hill by then anyway.

Point is, a quarterback can make an average supporting cast look a lot better than average if he's effective enough. And I'm of the belief that if we find the right guy at quarterback, he can come right in and make this team better.

well we are trading our high picks, but I'm one that believes that Joe Montana in his prime could come play for the Browns and he wouldn't be able to win. The Browns need a ton of pieces, not just a QB, and when you need a ton of pieces, you draft the ones you know will be there for awhile.

It's like putting a puzzle together, you don't start with the middle, you start with the corners and ends. Linemen are the easiest, safest picks, then you get the foundation and can add the skill positions that will bring your team back.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

^I don't think TD is saying you need a bunch of first rounders, I think he's saying you need continuity on the offensive line. I obviously have no idea how good/bad any of the players you just listed are, but the QB needs linemen who he can trust and who play as a unit.

TD, I agree completely about center and left tackle (or right tackle if your QB is a lefty, but almost all lefty QBs suck). By far the two most important parts of a good line are having a player who can block the stud weak side rusher and protect the QB's blind side, and a center who communicates well with the QB and gets the line to play as a cohesive unit.

Just look at the Colts, it seems to not matter at all who is at guard and tackle, as long as Saturday is at center, the line will deliver at least an average performance. When they had Glenn and Saturday, you knew the line would deliver a great performance every Sunday. Hopefully the Browns can establish something with Mack and Thomas.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Browns need a ton of pieces, not just a QB, and when you need a ton of pieces, you draft the ones you know will be there for awhile.

More importantly, you draft the ones who won't need the others around him to grow as a player. If a rookie left tackle's team went to go play the Vikings, no matter how bad the rest of his team is, the LT would develop as a player having to block Jared Allen for 60 minutes.

It's pretty hard for a QB to better his pocket presence when more than half the time the line can't maintain blocks long enough to form a pocket.

[JoeTait75]

^I don't think TD is saying you need a bunch of first rounders, I think he's saying you need continuity on the offensive line. I obviously have no idea how good/bad any of the players you just listed are, but the QB needs linemen who he can trust and who play as a unit.

No doubt. I do think, more than any other unit, an offensive line can be "coached up." And the Colts have had one of the best OL coaches in the game in Howard Mudd (who was also the OL coach for the Browns in the late '80s.) The right coach can make chicken salad out of chicken on an offensive line. See Howard Mudd, Bobb McKittrick for the 49ers teams in the '80s, or Alex Gibbs.

[Thunder Dan]

That sanchez to Edwards combo is looking great, sanchez only has 5 picks today

[SAtown]

That sanchez to Edwards combo is looking great, sanchez only has 5 picks today

You're pretty obsessed, aren't you?

[Thunder Dan]

Just letting everyone know sanchez sucks and the browns made the right move

[SAtown]

Well, lucky for him he's in a much better situation in NY

[Thunder Dan]

Who is? Both situations suck. Browns eat the Bills Jets lost to them

[SAtown]

Who is? Both situations suck. Browns eat the Bills Jets lost to them

So in what? It was a terrible game today, a rookie qb played like a rookie qb, winds were godawful, playcalling was worse than the ans playcalling today, happens. I'm over it (as a Jets fan), I just find it hilarious that you arent. The Jets would kill the irrelevant browns anyday

[Thunder Dan]

Derek Anderson played in the same winds last week and needed only 2 completions to beat the ty bills. Sanchez sucks and Braylon is a loser. The browns are 2-0 vs the spread without him and the jets are 0-2. Sanchez will be out of the league soon

[Thunder Dan]

The Jets lost to the Bills plain and simple, 14 point favorites down thier legs. The browns beat the Bills so that means the Browns are better