Vince Carter trade that didn't happen

[EricB]

It's looking like Manu's best days are far behind him so having an explosive player like Carter would have helped us more than a passive player like Jefferson.

Yeah having a me first ball hog would've done wonders.

[Danny.Zhu]

You mention a current player, RMJ, and ask in the present tense "will they consider...". Doesn't look like you knew, to me.

Ok...So I should have used "would"...

[narmerguy]

Nah I think that'd be a little too much star power for one team.

[024]

There is no denying that carter is an elite level player but giving up both mason and hill would not have been worth it. It would have created more holes than it filled.

[LOL@MavsFan]

First off, before I start, I'm more than thrilled with the Jefferson trade. I think it makes the Spurs one of the top 3 teams in the NBA when all are healthy.

Now, I'm watching the Orlando-Atlanta game, and am just amazed with how Vince has fit in with the Magic so far. The guy can do anything offensively and shoot from anywhere on the court.

Having a guy like that next to Parker, Duncan and Gino would have been amazing. The guy may not have the defensive ability to adapt to the Spurs, and who knows how the chemistry would work, but if this were a video game, Vince would definitely make the Spurs the team to beat.

Just killing time by wondering what could have been. Can't wait for next Wednesday so I can see what will be for the next 7 and hopefully 8 months (think June ).

I'm still fuming about Stephen Jackson

[Johnny RIngo]

Uh, Carter's best days aren't exactly in front of him, either. I'm not sure that pinning 90% of your guard/wing production on two guys as injured as Manu and VC would be a good idea.

I'll take Richard 82games Jefferson for 500, Alex.

Carter's only missed 16 games the past five seasons. Jefferson's missed around 80 games in the same time period.

[kbrury]

Keeping Hill and Mason while not giving up much for Jefferson is better then getting Carter IMO, not only did the spurs keep young talent and depth they still have a few pieces to make another trade if one is needed.

[SKINNYPIMP210]

I'm sorry, with all things considered I like Jefferson a lot more than Carter...hands down.

Although I do think freaking Orlando is STACKED this year.

[exstatic]

By the way, did I not saying everything that's been said in this thread months and months ago? Spurstrodamus indeed.

Probably because it all HAPPENED months ago. You're a genius.

[anakha]

People were criticizing the Jefferson trade and -riding Carter months ago? That's news to me.

Who's criticizing the Jefferson trade in this thread? The OP was talking about Carter.

[Mel_13]

Yes, and saying he'd rather have Carter than Jefferson.

Perhaps the OP will eventually comment again, but I don't believe he says that at all.

[anakha]

Yes, and saying he'd rather have Carter than Jefferson.

First off, before I start, I'm more than thrilled with the Jefferson trade. I think it makes the Spurs one of the top 3 teams in the NBA when all are healthy.

Just killing time by wondering what could have been.

I knew you were a moron, but illiterate as well?

[anakha]

Which means, in layman's terms, he would rather have Carter.

Are you contradicting yourself now?

People were criticizing the Jefferson trade and -riding Carter months ago? That's news to me.

No criticism in the OP. Your backpedaling doesn't change that.

This is too easy.

[flox]

Carter is and always will be the better player than Jefferson.

[anakha]

Perhaps criticizing was the wrong use of words, but definitely second-guessing the front office, that's for sure.

How can you take a post that says 'I'm more than thrilled with the Jefferson trade' and 'Just killing time' and twist it to mean that the OP is second-guessing the FO?

Talk about grasping at straws.

[anakha]

How can you not? I'm thrilled the Spurs actually made a move as well, but does that mean I'm not heated they don't have Carter instead of Jefferson? No.

So in other words, you've projected your own opinion to the OP in order to make it seem like that's been validated. Got it.

[anakha]

No. I'm saying that it could be taken either way.

Way to contradict yourself again.

Yes, and saying he'd rather have Carter than Jefferson.

Which means, in layman's terms, he would rather have Carter.

We know your opinion already. Stop trying to manufacture others' agreement with you.

[SenorSpur]

It still amazes me how some Spurs fans did not want this guy

It still amazes me how some Spurs fans STILL want this guy.

[Baseline]

I was disappointed that we didn't get Vince at the time, but when we ended up with Jefferson for so little, I was very pleased.

I just would much rather have shipped Finley out than Bruce. I still think Bruce should be on our team.

I'll explain... Top scorers think they can score on anybody, regardless of the scenario. They don't really think about who is guarding them - they just do their thing.

But with Bruce, he had a unique ability to get in the scorer's head -- guys like Ray Allen and Vince Carter talked about it all the time. K. Bryant even admitted that Bruce was a problem, and Bryant never gives anybody credit for anything.

There's a difference between playing good defense and altering the psyche of a top scorer. I never played in the NBA, but I averaged 20+ on a few teams, and regularly saw teams throw different guys at me. Every now and then there was a guy I knew was going to be a problem -- the guys who never rest, who don't really play offense, guys whose very existence is stopping you. I hated those guys..they had me thinking about them, and not merely on scoring. That's what I mean by "altering the psyche."

Well, we don't have that this year...but we still have Finley.

[Mel_13]

I was disappointed that we didn't get Vince at the time, but when we ended up with Jefferson for so little, I was very pleased.

I just would much rather have shipped Finley out than Bruce. I still think Bruce should be on our team.

I'll explain... Top scorers think they can score on anybody, regardless of the scenario. They don't really think about who is guarding them - they just do their thing.

But with Bruce, he had a unique ability to get in the scorer's head -- guys like Ray Allen and Vince Carter talked about it all the time. K. Bryant even admitted that Bruce was a problem, and Bryant never gives anybody credit for anything.

There's a difference between playing good defense and altering the psyche of a top scorer. I never played in the NBA, but I averaged 20+ on a few teams, and regularly saw teams throw different guys at me. Every now and then there was a guy I knew was going to be a problem -- the guys who never rest, who don't really play offense, guys whose very existence is stopping you. I hated those guys..they had me thinking about them, and not merely on scoring. That's what I mean by "altering the psyche."

Well, we don't have that this year...but we still have Finley.

The FO never chose Finley over Bruce.

They chose Bogans over Bruce.

[exstatic]

People were criticizing the Jefferson trade and -riding Carter months ago? That's news to me.

talking about it here...in JUNE

[EricB]

The FO never chose Finley over Bruce.

They chose Bogans over Bruce.

Hmm,

They sign Bogans in September, Bowen retired in what, July?

[Mel_13]

Hmm,

They sign Bogans in September, Bowen retired in what, July?

All of Bowen's public comments indicated he would have accepted an offer from the Spurs. No offer came.

His roster spot was eventually filled by Bogans.

That's all.

No criticism of the decision, just pointing out that Finley was never chosen ahead of Bowen. Bowen's contract was needed to make the RJ trade work. Finley's contract could not be included in the trade because he had yet to make a decision on his option.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Remember had we got Carter the spurs would've been paying over 17 million dollars in his 3rd year for a 35 year old swingman whose game relies on speed and athleticism, and getting to the line. So while the front end of this deal looked good, the back end in my opinion would have been detrimental.

[EricB]

All of Bowen's public comments indicated he would have accepted an offer from the Spurs. No offer came.

His roster spot was eventually filled by Bogans.

That's all.

No criticism of the decision, just pointing out that Finley was never chosen ahead of Bowen. Bowen's contract was needed to make the RJ trade work. Finley's contract could not be included in the trade because he had yet to make a decision on his option.

Gotcha.

Yeah I never understood the "how could they choose Bowen over Finley"