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if not LeBron Mo would still be dreaming about making the All Star team or playstation skills challange
You're just like animals that eat everything given to them without knowing what they're eating.
Mo Williams, Big Z, Wally Szcerbiak, Ben WallaceLOL. 4 All-Stars? Please tell me who these 4 All-Stars were? Mo Williams was the only other all-star and he was a fill-in player because someone got injured.
Again, you laugh when you can't come up with anything intelligentMeaning what? LeBron can't create for teammates? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The proof is in the pudding. Anything else is just an excuse.Yeah, that proves a lot. It wouldn't have anything to do with a rookie that didn't see the floor half of the time now developing.
It's brilliant that you know nothing?So... he got the most out of his guys when he was losing in the first round and not making the playoffs... gotcha. And LeBron wasn't making his teammates better when he took Larry Hughes/Eric Snow starting at point guard to the NBA finals. Brilliant!
Larry Hughes - 22 pt scorer until he joined LeBron and became 15ppg
Erric Snow - 10 ppg until he met LeBron and became 4ppg
You laugh at guys like Larry Hughes & Eric Snow...those weren't guys you laughed at until they met LeBron. Look it up.
Last edited by Allanon; 10-24-2009 at 02:31 PM.
if not LeBron Mo would still be dreaming about making the All Star team or playstation skills challange
Post of the thread, then again it's rather obvious someone who lives in the ghetto and has no job is probably an idiot.
I done told ya's, I don't do URLs, or Internet searches. If I see something, or, hear something, that's good enough for me. I don't live or labor to please others.
And I saw James guarding Hedo in the ECFs. And furthermore I saw Hedo takin' James to school.
& a 15 time NBA World Champion.
Yer O & 41!
tee, hee.
Is this code for you have no proof or evidence to back up the re ed you say?
I don't do proof or evidence. It's my religion.
If I see it, or, I hear it. That's good enough for me.
You take your make believe championships, I'll take living in an area without having to worry about a Mexican shooting my house up.
Tee, hee.
Yeah we know, cause it's pretty impossible to give proof or evidence for the garbage you post.
That garbage has you enthralled.
lmcontrollinao!
Haha wow, you're right, its not just this but I do this alot. Probably didn't take my ritalin!
cuz u know wat im sayin is true but you dont wanna accept so you make up some of the lamest exuses ever.
That doesn't change the fact that they were All-Stars.
Don't worry, I know how you hide when you have no answers.Again, it's so moronic that it doesn't deserve anything else.
Again, you know nothing but pretend to know. Shannon Brown, who used to play for LeBron before he got shipped out, was a hero in the Nuggets series. Let's just bold the "LOL" and add a few exclamation points to try and cover up idiocy.Boy, Kobe sure did resurrect Shannon Brown's career! To the tune of 4PPG and 0.8APG! At point guard! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More excuses for the King? You laughed at these guys yourself, but forgot that they were respectable players before teaming up with LeBron.. Now you laugh at them after they've playing with LeBron? You're breaking down your own argument....hmmmm.Funny, as soon as he(Hughes) left Cleveland, he was putting up the same numbers. And the reason Eric Snow previously scored 12 a game was because his minutes got eaten in half, for one, and two because he was on the tail end of his career. Your arguments are seriously laughable.
LeBron's so good at making teammates better that Larry Hughes improved from 22 ppg to 15ppg
LeBron's so good at making teammates better that Eric Snow improved from 10ppg to 4ppg
LeBron's so good at making teammates better that Big Z improved from 17ppg to 14ppg
Wow, LeBron's great at making teammates better. Stop your stupid opinions and show me some numbers.
Don't waste my time with more of your pitiful excuses and little laughing when you don't have an answer.
You say LeBron makes his teammates better....has ANY free agent coming to LeBron gotten better?
Last edited by Allanon; 10-24-2009 at 04:06 PM.
I'm back...
Obliterated? You are the brightest are ya?
Same shooting %. Lebron avg 2 more rebounds a game playing SF vs SG. Big surprise there! 1 block more a game playing SF as opposed to SG. Yet another surprise... I'm so stunned! And 3 more assists per game for Bron. Well, last time I looked, the guy you pass it to has to make the basket for you to get the assist. Who would you rather pass to for the bucket? Z or Kwame? Mo or Smush? Brillo head or Walton? Kwame, Walton, and Smush shot a combined 39% over those 2 playoff series. Z, Vaj, and Mo shot 44%.
Suprisingly you left out 3pt % and FT%. Ill get those for ya...
Kobe:
2006 NBA playoffs: 40% 3pt, 77% FT
2007 NBA playoffs: 35% 3pt, 92% FT
LeBron:
2009 Playoffs: 33% 3pt, 74% FT
BTW... your numbers for Lebron were just for the series... not the playoffs which were 35 ppg, 7 apg, and 9 rpg respectively.
Obliterated? I think not. Very similar... and Kobe got the "He doens't make his teamates better rap and Lebron got the "He's all about getting his teamates involved" love.
So, let's for the sake of argument say Lebrons numbers were ALL that much better, though you have clearly mislead/shown they weren't.
You miss the whole point originally made. Kobe was cruicified because he took too much on his own. Didn't trust his teamates and shot himself etc etc. They shot the same % and Lebron scored 8 to 10 more points. That would imply that Lebron shot more. Yet again, Kobe is the ball hogging selfish bas that doesn't make his mates better, and Lebron with numbers that were similar is the better teammate and media darling.
Well... until he lost and made a fool of himself.
Obliterated was a bit of an exaggeration, but Kobe has never come close to averaging 8 apg, not in the playoffs or regular season, not with Smush and Kwame and Walton, not with Shaq and Glen Rice and Horry. I think trying to justify the difference in assist numbers on Kobe's behalf is a futile effort. Kobe isn't the type of player to average 8 apg. And 38 ppg versus about 31 ppg is a pretty stark difference. If you compare 31 ppg to 24 ppg, you'd think it's a big difference. 38 v. 31 is huge for a scoring difference.
It would be like comparing Kobe's 31 ppg, 5 apg, 6 rpg and comparing them to another player putting up 24 ppg, 2 apg, and 4 rpg. So, yeah, LeBron's numbers are very impressive compared to Kobe's.
But, yes, saying "obliterated" is a bit much. Those Kobe numbers are actually still very impressive.
Last edited by JamStone; 10-24-2009 at 07:04 PM.
Spoken like someone that knows nothing about basketball.
Toni Kukoc doesn't have more rings than Kobe.
Scottie Pippen does.
Of course Lebron doesn't play in Phil Jackson's triangle. His assists would decline just like Jordan's did if he played in that system. If you knew anything about the triangle offense, you would understand this.
8 assists, Kobe could do that if he went out and tried while playing in the Doug Collins offense. He has the passing ability for that type of average. Waste of his talent though.
I actually do understand that. In fact, I've argued that very thing before on these boards.
That would have been a stronger argument. Problem with that is that cobbler didn't argue that. He blamed Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton for Kobe not averaging 8 assists, not the triangle.
Oh ok. Didn't read through all of Cob's posts.
To digress a bit I'd also argue that Lebron is an overrated rebounder.
For his size I'd expect him to be a better offensive rebounder. Right now he lines up and plays some power forward at times. The entire Cleveland team clears out on the defensive end if Lebron is anywhere near a rebound. It's quite obviously by design, similar to what the Nets use to do with Jason Kidd.
Kobe at his height and size, should not be averaging around the same amount of O rebounds as 6'8 265 Lebron James.
Pretty tough criticisms of LeBron's rebounding, especially considering he was the second best rebounder at the small forward position last year after Gerald Wallace. LeBron did play stretches of games at PF, but not that much.
As for his offensive rebounding, it's similar to your argument about Kobe's assist totals in the triangle offense. LeBron is always attacking the rim, so he's rarely in position to rebound the offensive glass. The Cavs offense doesn't really allow for him to be a great offensive rebounder because he's not only the primary scorer but the primary play maker. Plus, the Cavs over the last few seasons have been one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the league because Z, Varejao, (formerly Gooden), Ben Wallace last year are all above average offensive rebounders. That's not what they ask of LeBron. Just like getting high assist totals isn't whag the triangle allows any one player to get.
Sorry, that argument doesn't work in comparison to a shooting guard 3inches shorter, that weighs 50 pounds less being a better offensive rounder. Especially when Big Z is spreading the floor for James these past few years. The fact that Lebron takes more shots in the paint is even more indicative. By default it puts him the best position on the floor to rebound his own miss. 80% of Kobe's shots are jumpers.
And yes I'll say better. Watch when Kobe goes after an offensive board off a free throw compared to Lebron.
I don't want hear that . It don't matter why he's ringless. That motherf'er is ringless and I intend string that ringless bas up by his Buster Browns, whistle the loops (take out my belt) and beat his ass like two Jap flags until he rings.
What was good for Kobe Bryant is good for LeBron James.
You are both correct, the use of the triangle is a better argument but I was trying to put up an argument using numbers as I don't think Spurstrodamus has the ability to grasp the nuances of the triangle. With that said, I dont think its a real stretch to argue that when your passng to guys who shoot 39% on uncontested shots due to Kobe's commanding double and triple teams, that that will cost you 2 assists per game. But in fairness, that works both ways.
As for the 8 pts a game. Of course its a stark differense. But their shooting % was the same so it was obvioulsy done with more shots. I don't think taking more shots cons utes getting your players involved and making them better. Look at the stats that show when Kobe shoots less than 21 times a game they have a better winning % than when he shoots more.
Their numbers were pretty darn similar with the slight edge going to Lebron. Clearly not an obliteration! And the "making your teamates better" is way overblown. And you could never convince me that that the Lakers team of 06-07 is anywere near as talented as the 09 squad of the Cavs.
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