Really...how did Shaq do this year without Kobe...or any other frickin year without Kobe...that's right 0 rings. Please Kobe is the best perimeter player in the L. Sorry, but a bad season of 28,6,6 while going through the changes and injuries is astonishing. Plus his effeciency as the highest of any SG in the L. (9th in the L) Given these cir stances I'll take Kobe any day of the week over any other wing man.
good for u, that's why even the Lakers are thinking about getting rid of him. And do you think it's a coincidence that Shaq went to Miami, and all of a sudden, Wade becomes this superstar???? you don't think Shaq's precense has an impact on Wade's, and previously Kobe's success?
Look Manu is nowhere close... yes I said it NO WHERE CLOSE to the likes of kobe or t-mac....I think KOBE was just as valuable to THOSE 3 chips the lakers got as shaq was... Ive said it b4 and ill say it again MANU CAN BE REPLACED!!!! Im not sayin I would like to trade MANU I was just tryin to get a feel of how much value other spurs fans place on manu... personally I think waaaay too much. Look TD would have 3 rings with or without manu...u cant say the same for shaq... and before reply by askin me did I see the finals YES. I did see the finals but if we did not have manu dont u think POP; RC; and the rest of the spurs big hats would have a cozy fit in the 2 position... judging on what ive learned of spurs management in the past 5-6 years I have to say yes... my point MANUS great but he will NEVER be the type of player to be considered the MAN all by himself on an NBA team. this is the reason I place more value on LBJ KOBE WADE T-MAC and a few others because they have the burden of carrying an entire franchise on their backs and I beleieve LBJ WADE AND KOBE have a far better chance of winning a ring as the LEADER of a team than does MANU
Man yall are talking some mad , i'd rather have Manu on the team than Kobe. How many shots a night does Kobe have to actually throw up before getting the type of points he gets a game???? I mean seriously you want a team player who doesnt mind coming off the bench to help his team. A player who doesnt play for the money but for the love of the game and doesnt mind taking the charge. Manu does all the little things that Kobe doesnt, and he doesnt take half as many shots as Kobe does.
Is Kobe the MAN? Lakers didn't even make the playoffs
is LBJ the MAN? he didn't make the playoffs either
Wade has Shaq now, so he won't be the man of his team until Shaq retires.
TMAC... where the did he take his Orlando team??? now he is in a decent team but they couldn't even finish off the Mavs after being up 2-0.
where are you MEN now? you're right Manu is not THE MAN of the team but none of the above players is either.
Manu is the reigning Olympic champion and NBA champion. He is not even close to them??? Please stoptoo much
There is a reason why his post are mostly in CAPS, his logic doesn't draw enough attention.Is Kobe the MAN? Lakers didn't even make the playoffs
is LBJ the MAN? he didn't make the playoffs either
Wade has Shaq now, so he won't be the man of his team until Shaq retires.
TMAC... where the did he take his Orlando team??? now he is in a decent team but they couldn't even finish off the Mavs after being up 2-0.
where are you MEN now?
Manu is the reigning Olympic champion and NBA champion. He is not even close to them??? Please stop
Kobe takes too many shots....well you would to if your team's hold you as the only option. Even with Shaq his shots only went up by a fraction from year over year. His stats were better in all figures from last year and they made the finals. Overal his FG% has been very strong throughout his career and given his challenges in the last 2 years his play is admirable. Look to this year as his redemption year...and to all those idiots who think LA is looking to trade Kobe, think about the no-trade clause in his contract.
The fact is Kobe will not win another championship in a league where teams are starting to play "TEAM" ball. His style of basketball is shoot first and worry about teammates complaining later, he is a ball hog, who takes way too many shots to get the type of stats he gets. Fact is, i'd rather have a complete team than a one man show.
Batman#....I would rather have a team than 1 player as well...I don't disagree, players need to be selfish at times and defer at times as well....Time will tell if Kobe will win another ring...time will tell.
Is Kobe the MAN? Lakers didn't even make the playoffs
is LBJ the MAN? he didn't make the playoffs either
Wade has Shaq now, so he won't be the man of his team until Shaq retires.
TMAC... where the did he take his Orlando team??? now he is in a decent team but they couldn't even finish off the Mavs after being up 2-0.
where are you MEN now? you're right Manu is not THE MAN of the team but none of the above players is either.
Manu is the reigning Olympic champion and NBA champion. He is not even close to them??? Please stop
Okay this is what Im sayin...
is kobe the man? YES... his team didnt make the playoffs but if u swap him for manu they STILL wouldnt make the playoffs...same thing goes for LBJ
in regards to wade I believe he will eventually win a ring by LEADING a team of his own.... somethin manu will never do
Ginobili=Pippen... u can argue that he is a great player and at times he was but when its all said and done he is just a hyped up sidekick that would have a ring if it wasn up to him to BE THE MAN
AGAIN... LBJ KOBE WADE have a FAR better chance of winning as there teams #1 guy than does MANU u cant dispute that
Is Kobe the MAN? Lakers didn't even make the playoffs
is LBJ the MAN? he didn't make the playoffs either
Wade has Shaq now, so he won't be the man of his team until Shaq retires.
TMAC... where the did he take his Orlando team??? now he is in a decent team but they couldn't even finish off the Mavs after being up 2-0.
where are you MEN now? you're right Manu is not THE MAN of the team but none of the above players is either.
Manu is the reigning Olympic champion and NBA champion. He is not even close to them??? Please stop
Okay this is what Im sayin...
is kobe the man? YES... his team didnt make the playoffs but if u swap him for manu they STILL wouldnt make the playoffs...same thing goes for LBJ
in regards to wade I believe he will eventually win a ring by LEADING a team of his own.... somethin manu will never do
Ginobili=Pippen... u can argue that he is a great player and at times he was but when its all said and done he is just a hyped up sidekick that would not have a ring if it was up to him to BE THE MAN
AGAIN... LBJ KOBE WADE have a FAR better chance of winning as there teams #1 guy than does MANU u cant dispute that
MANU is not on a SUPERSTAR in this legue please believe me he is NOT
it almost seems you are sayin manu is better than kobe the way duncan is better than kg based on accomplishments... if u are saying that than ur the one
there's a difference between manu and the morons you described are better..
Manu can lead a team, and he's unselfish.
And like I said before... Manu is the only one that can be unstoppable without taking 30 shots to get his points...
I'd never trade manu for any of those morons.
This is without a doubt one of the dumbest things I've ever read...seriously.
So you think Ginobili can be replaced and Duncan would have 3 rings without him but you think Shaq wouldn't have rings without Kobe?I give Phil more credit for Shaq's rings than Kobe. He got Shaq in a system that works. Did you actually see Kobe the first le year? He was VERY inconsistent. He was in foul trouble every other game against the Blazers in the Western Conference Finals and getting killed in the post by every Blazer guard/forward. They took turns abusing him. In the Finals he only averaged 15 freakin points shooting in the high 30's percentage-wise. You think Shaq in his prime (scoring 30+ points and snatching 15+ rebounds) couldn't have won a le with any other decent SG? Get out of here with that man lol. If you think Ginobili could be replaced after his performance in this years playoffs then Kobe DEFINITELY could have been replaced on that Laker le team.
And it's not hard to shoot the ball 20+ times and score 25+ while having your shooting percentage in the low 40's. , even JERRY STACKHOUSE led this freakin league in scoring at one time lol. If you dominate the ball as much as Kobe, T-Mac and Iverson of course your stats are going to be inflated. Give Ginobili the greenlight to shoot the ball more than 12 times a game and watch his stats look similar but thank GOD he doesn't play that way or have the need to be "the man". That's what got T-Mac and Kobe in the situations they are now and I don't feel a bit sorry for them. GIve me a team player with skills anyday over someone with a "wannabe Jordan" complex.
I respect your opinon but I strongly disagree... I dont think if put in the exact situation that KOBR BRYANT is in manu would do any better as a matter of fact he would do alot worse... kobe is a better passer/slasher/jump shooter/rebounder/defender/has more hops/is far mor clutch/and just plain better than manu... Ginobili would put up 30 shots if he played on a team that required him to do so... whatelse is he goin to do he aint exactly LBJ when it comes to dishin the rock... if it were up to ginobili to distribute the basketball on a ball club he would average twice as many TO's than assists... look at the dumb plays he makes for us
Manu won the gold medal almost by himself, unless you count pepe sanchez.
Like I said, Kobe, TMAc had their chances and failed to this point.Okay this is what Im sayin...
is kobe the man? YES... his team didnt make the playoffs but if u swap him for manu they STILL wouldnt make the playoffs...same thing goes for LBJ
in regards to wade I believe he will eventually win a ring by LEADING a team of his own.... somethin manu will never do
Ginobili=Pippen... u can argue that he is a great player and at times he was but when its all said and done he is just a hyped up sidekick that would not have a ring if it was up to him to BE THE MAN
AGAIN... LBJ KOBE WADE have a FAR better chance of winning as there teams #1 guy than does MANU u cant dispute that
MANU is not on a SUPERSTAR in this legue please believe me he is NOT
it almost seems you are sayin manu is better than kobe the way duncan is better than kg based on accomplishments... if u are saying that than ur the one
Wade is under Shaq's shadow.
Your only hope is LBJ. He is the hope of the whole NBA and the whole country.
Interesting post. I agree with it on some points.
But Kobe was more focused on defense in 1999-00. He did get abused at times in the post against Portland, but he averaged 2.6BPG that series!
Kobe was obviously less focused on offense then and less developed offensively in relationship to Shaq and the Laker offense..
vs Portland
43.1MPG 20.4PPG 4.9RPG 5.9APG 1.6SPG 2.6BPG on 44FG%
Kobe did play major minutes, but he didn't commit many turnovers and scored pretty efficiently. He also played excellent defense (at least HELP defense).
Ginobili is very comparable as a sidekick in comparison to the 2000 Kobe. Ginobili was more productive on offense and less so defensively.
Also, wasn't Kobe hurt in the NBA Finals? Didn't that affect his productivity?
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Kobe was banged up in the first championship run...especially in the finals. People say Kobe had his chance without Shaq and failed...good test year....injured, brand new system and team with a new coach...a recipe for greatness....whatever.
A great individual is only great if his team is great.
This is without a doubt one of the dumbest things I've ever read...seriously.
So you think Ginobili can be replaced and Duncan would have 3 rings without him but you think Shaq wouldn't have rings without Kobe?
And it's not hard to shoot the ball 20+ times and score 25+ while having your shooting percentage in the low 40's. , even JERRY STACKHOUSE led this freakin league in scoring at one time lol. If you dominate the ball as much as Kobe, T-Mac and Iverson of course your stats are going to be inflated. Give Ginobili the greenlight to shoot the ball more than 12 times a game and watch his stats look similar but thank GOD he doesn't play that way or have the need to be "the man". That's what got T-Mac and Kobe in the situations they are now and I don't feel a bit sorry for them. GIve me a team player with skills anyday over someone with a "wannabe Jordan" complex.
Man I am a spurs fan... Im love my spurs but lets end this right now KOBE is better than MANU period. Another thing it is not dumb for me to assume that without Kobe shaq would not have 3 rings KOBE has was the 2nd or 3rd best palyer in the league for that stretch of laker chips... and at times it took a lil luck and very questionable calls for the lakers to win some of those series I dont think Kobe could have been raplaced by guard in the league at that time not even by t-mac... BTW shaq is waaaay overrated imo also he needed kobe just as much as kobe needed him
If he is so dumb then trade him... send him to the Lakers for Kobe... letīs see what happens..
Iīve never seen Kobe take less than 15 shots unless he was injured...
Manu
G 74
GS 74
MPG 29.6
FG% .471
3P% .376
FT% .803
OFF Reb 1.00
DEF Reb 3.40
RPG 4.40
APG 3.9
SPG 1.61
BPG .36
TO 2.32
PF 2.60
PPG 16.0
Kobe
G 66
GS 66
MPG 40.7
FG% .433
3P% .339
FT% .816
OFFR 1.40
DEFR 4.50
RPG 5.90
APG 6.0
SPG 1.30
BPG .80
TO 4.09
PF 2.60
PPG 27.6
Impressive numbers by Kobe but he plays 40 Mpg, Manu plays 29 MPG.
And Manu still needs less shots to score.
Kobe pick more rebounds (again remember the minutes) and has less steals
and 2 more TO per game!??
And you called Manu a dumb!?
I could compare playoffs numbers but Kobe hasnīt...
If you're a real Spurs fan, then why don't you realize Without Manu we wouldn't have won this year???
TD needs Manu as much as Shaq neede Kobe back then. Face it.
Im not suggesting trade manu Im simply just blown away that u think ginobili is even close to as good as kobe. And yes the spur would be a better team if we had kobe... all that stuff between him a shaq got blown outta proportion b/c they both have huge egos.. but if kobe played alonside someone like TD that would let him soak up the spotlight (the way manu does now) everthing would work out perfect. Tim would just play let kobe be the star and the spurs would win until 2010
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