The question is, by doing it, did it turn YOU on?
Good effort. I give it a
Needs pics for a higher score. Or drawings.
The question is, by doing it, did it turn YOU on?
Goodness. I've got a lot to add to this one.
I'll give a few more details. It was quite erotic. We were all early twenties. I was single and hooking up on the side with Cheryl who was married. Cheryl had a friend named Pam that was married too. Both had gotten married right out of high school, neither had kids. Pam knew Cheryl and I were hooking up.
Anyway,it was a Saturday night and they were having apparently having a girls night out. The guys were supposed to be fishing. Cheryl called me and invited me over to Pams. I went over, we all smoked a doobie and were having a glass of wine...the conversation turned to sex and girl on girl stuff and I said I thought that was really hot...they both said they were curious but their husbands thought it was disgusting...I was like...uhhh..no ing way...
Anyway, I was standing up and Cheryl came over to me and gave me a hug and I looked at Pam over her shoulder and nodded at her to join us...
She came over and we did this big three way group hug...and I gave Cheryl a long slow kiss...then stopped...looked at Pam...leaned in and gave HER a long slow kiss...then stopped, leaned back and looked at both of them and they looked at each other at THEY did a long slow kiss...it was ing electric. It felt like sparks should be shooting off all of us...
I looked at Cheryl and said "lets unwrap our present" and we proceeded to very slowly undress Pam kissing and nibbling as we exposed her...then we did Cheryl...then they did me...
It got a WHOLE lot better than that before it ended badly.
elaborate on the ending badly?
Don't ever leave us hanging.
Oh, all the old timers know this one. About two hours later we were all upstairs in the king size water bed still ravishing each other when the alarm *beeped* because someone was coming in the front door. It was the husbands coming home early. I had to go out the second story window. Landed in one of those squaerd up pruned holly bush hedges. Naked. Talk about losing wood in a hurry. At least they threw most of my clothes down.
Women today aren't as free-wheelin' as they were in the late 60's and 70's.
Actually it was late 70's. Was that supposed to be a put down?
Yeah, aids took away complete sexual freedom.![]()
Somehow in my dreams when Katy made a bisexual/lesbian post it was a lot better than this...
s are because they were touched when they were babies. If you are gay, you have been molested at some point. Bottom line.
Thanks for clearing that up Dr. lil'mo. That simple, huh?
Nobody really knows for sure.
I once agreed to give a dude a ride home from a nightclub. While I was driving him across downtown he asked me if I had ever had guy suck my before. I stopped the car and kicked him out. The End.
Are you sure you're not missing something between "stopped the car" and "kicked him out"?![]()
Before or after?
I guess he didn't suck it very good if you kicked him out and made him walk the rest of the way home...
I think your experience is pretty common among women. If you're genuinely interested in the answers to some of those questions, I'm reading this book in my Sexual Diversity class right now and it has a lot of interesting information about women's sexuality and its inherent fluidity. The author, a feminist psychologist, conducted a long term empirical study of a group of women showing that the rigid categories of sexuality (straight, gay, bi, asexual) don't really work for women -- women who identify as straight often have experiences with other women, women who identify as lesbian or may guys, women who identify as bisexual may only ever date or sleep with one gender, and so on. The reasons for this are numerous, and are not exclusive to women (men are prone to fluidity as well, though to a lesser degree), but fluidity is far more common for us than certainty or rigidity.
I think that's part of it, but not necessarily because women have a broader idea of what is physically attractive. I think we are more likely than men to develop an attraction based on an emotional bond. Which is, of course, not to suggest that all women who engage in same-sex activities do so because of a deep emotional attachment (lord knows I haven't), but because it's not uncommon for women to development an attraction or a sexual relationship with someone other than what they're typically attracted to just because of an emotional connection. In my experience, a straight man can develop a very strong emotional bond with a male friend, but it is not as likely to develop into a sexual attraction or curiosity as it would in a situation with two women.
I think it also has a lot to do with what our society finds to be acceptable behavior -- women can recover from a little experimentation without a huge blow to their reputation, but men really can't.
Especially since it's always discussed in terms of a "versus." It's always oppositional. As if such a complex thing as one's sexuality could only be caused by genetics OR environment.
I can't think of any way they wouldn't both be involved. Genetics and biology may be involved in determining one's potential or predisposition towards same-sex attractions, but there are countless outside factors -- family, religion, culture, etc. -- that are involved in determining whether or not that potential will ever be expressed, or even recognized. I've always been happy enough with men that I often wonder how different my sexuality would be if I grew up in a more conservative environment than I did. Even amongst the straight members of my family, ness is pretty damned common. If that hadn't been the case, if I didn't grow up open to the possibility, I'm not sure that I ever would have noticed my attraction to women. I don't know that I would have even recognized something was missing.
There's no one right way to be gay or bisexual by which everything is measured. Just as there's no one way to be straight.
I don't doubt the possibility that celebrities who express their fluidity may be doing so for publicity, but neither do I assume it.
There's a school of thought amongst feminist theoreticians that male phobia is rooted in the hatred of the feminine. This doesn't mean the hatred of women, of course, but rather the devaluing of traditionally feminine characteristics. For a man to be intimate with another man, he is willingly adopting "feminine" characteristics, which is hugely threatening. This is why the quickest way to insult a man is to call him a pussy, or a , or a , or to otherwise question his masculinity.
It is not just participating in this behavior that is socially questionable, though. Even the tolerance of male sexuality can be a threat to one's masculinity, as part of the male performance is the explicit rejection of those feminine characteristics.
Liking/accepting two women together doesn't threaten one's masculinity. In fact, it reinforces it. Tolerating the idea of two men together, however, directly calls into question one's masculinity. Therefore, it is potentially far more damaging to be okay with the idea of two men having sex than it is to be okay with two women having sex
Pretty much. There are anomalys, but... as is with most conditions.
It has also become very trendy for school-age girls to be (or proclaim to be, anyway) bi-sexual ... I hear stories from my daughter all of the time. My guess is it's either for boys to think they are hot, or because boys don't think they are hot and are hungry for that type of attention.
I've always been turned on by F/F porn, and I can think of a couple of women I would absolutely want to do (*live* or celebrity) if I were gay, but if it ever came right down to it ... I don't know if I would go though with it. Never say never, I guess. My question would be, would it be cheating to test those waters?
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