Mass Deception! You have all been duped!
The OJ Simpson trial was the crown jewel of the police state; makes the public think that people acquitted by juries are still guilty, even when they are proven innocent!
You can't win!!!
You are presumed innocent unless proven guilty!
PROOF that OJ Simpson is INNOCENT of murder!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...59946122795&hl
Check this out, a solitary man defending us from the police state:
F. LEE BAILEY -- CROSS-EXAMINATION of a witness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9L4tbAhuwg
Did the L.A. Coroner lie on the witness stand?
http://revver.com/video/607707/oj-si...witness-stand/
Hidden Phone Records!
http://revver.com/video/607683/oj-si...phone-records/
Ron Goldman's criminal file!
http://revver.com/video/607722/oj-si...criminal-file/
I highly doubt Donaghy is lying.
Nah, why would someone with connections to organized crime lie?
And why shouldn't you doubt it, given his history of cheating and stealing?
I would prefer not believing any of this, but too many years of watching the NBA prevent me from dismissing his out of hand.
In 2006, does anyone remember game 2? how about dirk getting fouled on his way to the basket by Tim falling out of bounds to avoid contact?
The Iverson story is true too--and that's my honest to god gut reaction.
Nene got his fifth foul last night going backwards to avoid contact, and got his sixth foul on a guy he wasn't anywhere near. Was that game fixed, too?
I don't know, I didn't see it. Hey, I'm cool with you not believing what he says, but personally, I think there is far more truth in those experts then exaggeration.
Sure, because playing on NBA fans' paranoia is exactly what he's doing. It might be plausible so long as you don't consider the source. Know this, because it's worth repeating: When a book publisher won't publish a "tell-all" book because they're worried about liability, any excerpts from it should immediately set off bull detectors across the globe.
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I think that is certainly a rational way to understand the thinking in pulling the book, I would however suggest that there are other reasons for this reaction.
1. It is almost impossible to prove that his claims are true or false from the publishers perspective. These are first hand observations that will not be confirmed by any of the individuals he is commenting on.
2. Due to the damaging nature of the work in terms of its potential for hurting the business interests of the NBA, the publisher would have a more difficult time than normal defending against a libel case--even though all of the figures in question are likely to have Public Figure status.
3. Some of the referees may be able to prove that they aren't public figures, and as such, it is much easier for them to present a libel case.
How about some old time observations on referees managing the games with bias?
In a playoff series with LA long ago--don't remember the year--we went out to LA and got jobbed in the first half. We got 24 fouls called on us to ONE for LA.
In our early years in the NBA we went to the conference finals with the Washington club and clearly had an edge. In the 6th game, I beleive it was, the refs called a phantom foul that cost us the game. Everyone knew it. In those days the refs (league???) weren't about to let one of the upstart ABA teams into the finals over an old NBA team. That bias was held against the ABA newcomers for years.
Donaghy won't go away
By John McMullen, Sports Network
For nearly 30 years on the day before the Oscars, the Golden Raspberry Awards have celebrated the worst Hollywood has to offer.
There is the obvious stuff like Worst Picture, Worst Actor and Worst Actress, along with a series of unconventional categories like Worst Screen Couple and Worst Sequel.
Since sports is just another brand of entertainment, I am hoping "The Razzies" expand. In fact, I am waiting with bated breath for the Worst Official category.
Talk about some worthy candidates.
Baseball is loaded. You have "Mr. Confrontation" himself, "Cowboy" Joe West, the "highly-regarded" Tim McClelland and the latest World Series embarrassment Brian Gorman.
McClelland's my favorite, In the American League Championship Series. New York's Nick Swisher was at third base when Johnny Damon lofted a fly ball to Angels center fielder Torii Hunter. Swisher tagged up and easily scored. Or did he? Anaheim protested, saying Swisher left early and McClelland agreed, calling Swisher out.
Here's the funny part. Replays clearly showed Swisher never left early and revealed McClelland was never even looking at Swisher.
So why overturn it?
"In my heart I thought he left too soon," McClelland said. Then, when confronted with video, McClelland blurted out this gem: "After looking at replays, I'm not sure I believe the replay of the first one."
You can't make that stuff up.
Football isn't much better. The great Ed Hochuli is obsessed with getting camera time so he can give you tickets to his own personal "gun show." Meanwhile, NFL insiders talk about winning all "four phases" when Ron Winter is the top zebra -- offense, defense, special teams and his atrocious calls.
Of course, the real heavyweight nominee for the World's Worst Officiating Razzie has to be disgraced former NBA referee Tim Donaghy. After all, he is the only felon in the running...so far.
While serving time in a federal prison, Donaghy penned a book outlining the corruption in NBA officiating, something he certainly is an expert on.
His publisher, Random House, reportedly balked at releasing "Blowing the Whistle: The Culture of Fraud in the NBA," citing liability concerns.
However, Deadspin.com acquired excerpts of the book where Donaghy alleges things like officials "sometimes" give star players like Kobe Bryant favorable calls, some refs have it in for some players and coaches, and a home team is more likely to get a favorable whistle.
Wow...talk about groundbreaking stuff.
Steve Javie gives Kobe more rope than Willie Green, Joe Crawford hates Tim Duncan. Homecourt means something.
None of that could have possibly soured Random House so what gives?
Well, Donaghy also offered a far more explosive allegation involving veteran referee Bavetta.
"Studying under Bavetta for 13 years was like pursuing a graduate degree in advanced game manipulation," Donaghy wrote. "He knew how to marshal the tempo and tone of a game better than any referee in the league, by far. He also knew how to take subtle -- and not so subtle -- cues from the NBA front office and extend a playoff series or, worse yet, change the complexion of that series."
Donaghy cites the 2002 Western Conference Finals Game 6 between the Los Angeles Lakers and the Sacramento Kings as an example of Bavetta's skills. Sacramento had a 3-2 edge in the series and the referees assigned to work were Bavetta, Bob Delaney, and Ted Bernhardt.
"As soon as the referees for the game were chosen, the rest of us knew immediately that there would be a Game 7," Donaghy wrote. "A prolonged series was good for the league, good for the networks, and good for the game. Oh, and one more thing: it was great for the big-market, star-studded Los Angeles Lakers."
Donaghy claimed in a pregame meeting prior to Game 6, the league office sent down word that calls that would have benefited the Lakers were being missed by the referees.
"This was the type of not-so-subtle information that I and other referees were left to interpret," Donaghy said. "After receiving the dispatch, Bavetta openly talked about the fact that the league wanted a Game 7."
"If we give the benefit of the calls to the team that's down in the series, nobody's going to complain," Bavetta stated, according to Donaghy. "The series will be even at three apiece, and then the better team can win Game 7."
Of course, Sacramento went on to lose Game 6 as the Lakers were repeatedly sent to the foul line by Bavetta and company. Whispers about that game have been commonplace around the league for years.
For what's it's worth, I don't buy it.
I'm not naive. Scandal in sport has been around forever. Boxers will always take dives and tennis players will always tank matches, but you will never see a wide-ranging conspiracy in the four majors unless you're Oliver Stone. The media scrutiny is just too great.
If David Stern ordered Bavetta, Crawford, Javie or Delaney to fix games, why in the world was 2007-08 the first time since 1987 that the league's two "marquee franchises" faced off in the finals? Why are there so many playoff series with "marquee teams" that are lopsided?
Envelope please...The winner for World's Worst Official...
Take your pick...
Donaghy wins for Best Fiction Writer.
Donaghy is telling the truth. it sucks for the sport, but anyone with a brain who has watched the playoffs especially over the last 10 years can see the blatant team/star favoritism from the NBA and the refs.
Knick Bavetta
By Buck Harvey
A reason not to believe Tim Donaghy is because he's a felon.
A reason to believe him is because he confirms what people have been thinking.
Such as the Spurs.
Deadspin.com printed excerpts from Donaghy's book, "Blowing the Whistle: The Culture of Fraud in the NBA." A division of Random House chose not to publish the book because of "concerns over potential liability."
A Random House spokesman denies the NBA threatened legal action. Still, the accusations are damaging to the league, such as this passage, according to Deadspin.com:
"Studying under Bavetta for 13 years was like pursuing a graduate degree in advanced game manipulation. He knew how to marshal the tempo and tone of a game better than any referee in the league, by far. He also knew how to take subtle -- and not so subtle -- cues from the NBA front office and extend a playoff series or, worse yet, change the complexion of that series."
Donaghy went on to cite the infamous 2002 playoff series between the Lakers and Kings. But the Spurs had their own example, just three years earlier.
The Spurs had easily won the first two games of the 1999 NBA Finals in San Antonio with a defense that was the best in franchise history. Then came Game 3 when the phrase "extend a playoff series" applied. Bavetta was a member of the officiating team.
Even then, some Spurs officials wondered about the cir stances using the same words that Donaghy used. Was Bavetta there as the company man taking his cue from the league office?
That's why the Spurs rolled their eyes when the rules seemingly changed that night. Sean Elliott and Mario Elie were unable to touch Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell without a foul being called.
Was it coincidence that Bavetta was there? Had the Knicks simply responded as conference champions often do?
Or, after the lockout, with the Finals in the New York market, did the league not want to see a sweep?
The Knicks would never score more points against the Spurs in those Finals. That was also the only loss the Spurs suffered in any of their best-of-7-games series that season.
To be fair, no one got in the way when the Spurs swept the Cavaliers eight years later. There was even a moment, at the end of that Game 3, when Bruce Bowen appeared to be trying to intentionally foul LeBron James. There was no whistle.
Either way, Donaghy adds to both the paranoia and su ion, even in successful NBA cites such as San Antonio. Another excerpt from Deadspin.com will further that:
"Two weeks before the 2003-04 season ended, Bavetta and I were assigned to officiate a game in Oakland. That afternoon before the tip-off, we were discussing an upcoming game on our schedule. It was the last regular-season game we were scheduled to work, pitting Denver against San Antonio. Denver had lost a game a few weeks prior because of a mistake made by the referees, a loss that could be the difference between them making or missing the playoffs. Bavetta told me Denver needed the win and that it would look bad for the staff and the league if the Nuggets missed the playoffs by one game. There were still a few games left on the schedule before the end of the season, and the standings could potentially change. But on that day in Oakland, Bavetta looked at me and casually stated, "Denver will win if they need the game. That's why I'm on it."
I was thinking, How is Denver going to win on the road in San Antonio? At the time, the Spurs were arguably the best team in the league. Bavetta answered my question before it was asked.
"Duncan will be on the bench with three fouls within the first five minutes of the game," he calmly stated.
As it turned out, Denver didn't need the win after all; they locked up a spot in the playoffs before they got to San Antonio. In a twist of fate, it was the Spurs that ended up needing the win to have a shot at the division le, and Bavetta generously accommodated. In our pregame meeting, he talked about how important the game was to San Antonio and how meaningless it was to Denver, and that San Antonio was going to get the benefit of the calls that night. Armed with this inside information, I called Jack Concannon before the game and told him to bet the Spurs.
To no surprise, we won big. San Antonio blew Denver out of the building that evening, winning by 26 points. When Jack called me the following morning, he expressed amazement at the way an NBA game could be manipulated. Sobering, yes; amazing, no. That's how the game is played in the National Basketball Association."
Good find, duncan228.
If you REALLY want to learn more about this, I suggest that someone dig up the articles from the Sacremento Bee that came out a year or two ago. They focus on 'Game 6" from the 2002 series, LA vs Sacremento. They prove that the FBI did not do a real investigation and that Donaghy was made a scapegoat.
Who has the research skills to find these articles?
The Spurs fans on this thread trying to convince themselves that everything that Donaghy said is a lie, would be all ing about how corrupt the NBA is if he wouldn't have involved the Spurs on this. Don't let the fandom blind you, he may be exagerating some things to make the book more interesting but I have no doubt what he says is true. He gave a lot of names and involved a lot of people and nobody denied anything.
Spurs fans don't have to look anywhere beyond the Spurs to see that Donaghy is full of it.
San Antonio is an even smaller TV market than the failed Vancouver Grizzlies, yet they own almost half of the NBA rings in the last 10 years. Meanwhile, the #1 market team New York is wallowing in the lottery and #3 Boston was a joke for 20 years.
What kind of NBA rigging would let the Spurs win so many Championships while #1 & #3 have sucked A$$ for over a decade? Why would the NBA rig their golden child to get swept by the Spurs in 2007?
You rig only what you can rig, Stern can't make of Isaiah Thomas a good coach or of Stephon Marbury an intelligent person. He can, however, tell the refs to be a little bit more "aware" of the contact Kobe gets when he is attacking the rim.
I can buy that.
But how does that explain the tossing of Amare & Boris Diaw? The Suns were by far the more sexy team and in a much larger TV market than the Spurs. They could have "overlooked" that.
Why couldn't the refs be more "aware" of LeBron attacking the Rim in 2007 and allow him the humiliation of a sweep?
And both superstars Kobe and Shaq in the #2 TV market were swept by the Spurs in 99 led by Mr. Boredom himself, Tim Duncan.
This conspiracy theory just doesn't add up and it's all because of the Spurs.
- In a rigged NBA, no way the "fun" Suns lose to the Spurs on a harmless stroll by Amare & Boris.
- In a rigged NBA, no way King James gets swept out of the Finals in one of the most comatose inducing NBA Finals ever (only second to Pistons/Spurs).
- Which reminds me, in a rigged NBA, no way do you have a coma inducing Spurs/Pistons Finals
- In a rigged NBA no way do 2 super megastars get swept out of the Playoffs by a guy who looks like he'd rather be out watering his garden.
Last edited by Allanon; 10-30-2009 at 03:50 PM.
Stern was the prisoner of his own rule there. The rule says something to the effect of: "if a bench player gets into the court in brawl, he should get suspended" and that's what happened (and it was clear for everybody to see), he would have been too exposed if he wouldn't have suspended Amare and Diaw. But he tried to compensated anyway giving Horry a two game suspension for something that really didn't deserve even a one suspension game.
Why couldn't the refs be more "aware" of LeBron attacking the Rim in 2007 and allow him the humiliation of a sweep?
And both superstars Kobe and Shaq in the #2 TV market were swept by the Spurs in 99 led by Mr. Boredom himself, Tim Duncan.
When the differences are so big there's no rig that works.
You can't be "rigging" everything all the time, you need to let things be sometimes 'cause if you don't, it gets too su ious.
Stern's no prisoner, he makes and changes the rules himself. You are saying he's a corrupt man, if he was indeed corrupt, he would have said "We're going to make an exception." End of story.
The entire media was asking Stern to forgive them, he had a clear path to make the change. But he wasn't corrupt.
The differences weren't so large actually. The games were pretty close other than Game 4. The refs could have easily given games 1 and 2 to ShaqKobe and nobody would have noticed. Instead, they chose to give it to Tim Duncan and San Antonio, it really doesn't support the conspiracy theory.When the differences are so big there's no rig that works.
So when the Spurs win, the NBA isn't rigging. But when the Lakers, Celtics are winning, the NBA is rigging?
How many Spurs championships did David Stern rig?
Maybe instead of rigging, it's simply because the Spurs/Lakers/Celtics were better than the other team?
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