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Obama Doesn't TryTo Control the Press???????????????This is really stupid....even for you.
I like Liz Cheney. I think she makes good points and doesn't rely on name calling and feel good moments. It seems most people dislike her because of her dad.
Last edited by spursncowboys; 10-31-2009 at 11:31 AM. Reason: clarify which Cheney
Obama Doesn't TryTo Control the Press???????????????This is really stupid....even for you.
I dislike her because of her dad, sure, but I mainly dislike her for being a ing idiot. She makes terrible points. She doesn't have to rely on name-calling, because attacking people with fabrications is that much less eloquent. I'm not sure what the a "feel good moment" is- at least when it comes to forms of argumentation.
her message is geared to reach the townhall mobster types:
I like Liz Cheney. I think she makes good points and doesn't rely on name calling and feel good moments.
Actually, it's because of the stupid she says.
Liz who?
No, the point is he didn't want to make a tradgedy something political. Liberals shouldn't either, but they always do.
Maybe he just wanted to take advantage of being in a jet again?George Bush was above using the military in a political manner.
Well at least when its not good for him.
My God man... you think he shouldn't have fun in a jet if he has the opportunity?
You have to remember the left loves seeing the carnage. It gives them reason to shove it in people's faces and claim how wrong we were to go to war.
That's because you believe the lies of the left. Most conservatives don't like such activities, but most of us also disagree with telling other people how to live. You guys are great at telling others how to live though. Then you also have to distingush between conservatives and republicans. They are not one ion the same. Republicans believe in a smaller federal government and more states rights. Democrats want the majority mob mentality. In reality, you have conservatives and liberals in each party.
Ever hear of the Blue dogs?
Except that the liberals don't care what the family wishes are, and that's a recent change. I wonder if they pay them to get the priveledge?
I only wish we could use that at times. Let everyone who voted for those in congress who vote YES on spending bills, pay for those costs. I think we would get allot more thrifty people voted in office.@ trickle-down blame.
LOL...Liz who?
Are you only interested if it's Mary?
Incredible. Those neocons really were a bunch of ing chickenhawks. Five deferrments from the draft? That's incredible.
Care to get some facts strait, or do you like looking like a dumb regurgitaing misleading propaganda?
Cheney's first deferment was requested 3/20/63. He started college college at Casper Community College. This is a normal enrolment form of the time when you go to college. This was also befoe the war started.
His second deferment was 7/23/63, when he switched colleges to the University of Wyoming. This was a status change, and again, before the war started.
His third deferment was 10/14/64 after his marriage on 8/29/64. Again, a status change.
His fourth deferment was after he started graduate school, 11/1/65.
His fourth, yet again, a status change, 1/19/66 while his wife was pregnant.
What's the big deal? Deferements were a normal part of college at the time. Status changes were normal.
How many of Kerry's deferments were just status changes, or before the war started? He finished school in 1966 and wanted one to go to Paris for Christ's sake.
So he had 5 deferments. Thanks.
Why does it matter? It's just technicalities.
Because he had 3 deferments that were not based on attending undergraduate ins utions. Basically he found every way possible to get out of going to war. I can't say I blame him because hey, who wants to die right? Only problem is he loves starting wars and doesn't seem to care who dies (unless it's him) in the process.
So, you are now in the man's mind. I take it you are an acredited psychic then?
Who cares anyway. Almost everyone who could get a deferment did. In fact, of the 26.8 million eligible to be drafted, 16 million recieved deferments. Only 2.2 million were drafted. When about 60% of the draft eligible population gets deferments, why do you make it out to be a bad thing?
What pisses me off are the chicken littles like John Kerry, who protest against the war, then join as a reserve officer instead of chancing being drafted into a combat unit grunt, after not being granted a vacation deferment. I say vacation deferemnt because it wasn't a higher study than his BS degree. You liberals like to make hay about the wrong things, when you have no good examples to counter with. At least Bush did something exciting... Jets!
You're right. They were status changes.
Are you really questioning his motives for getting 5 deferments? You think he was just like, "Eh the war will be there when I'm done. I can't wait to fight some slant eyes!"
Yeah because not many people want to fight in wars and die.Who cares anyway. Almost everyone who could get a deferment did.
Link?In fact, of the 26.8 million eligible to be drafted, 16 million recieved deferments.
It's not a bad thing. We just don't like people who get deferments then start unnecessary wars.Only 2.2 million were drafted. When about 60% of the draft eligible population gets deferments, why do you make it out to be a bad thing?
A man who actually fought in a war...but go on.What pisses me off are the chicken littles like John Kerry,
One he FOUGHT in.who protest against the war,
Did he see combat?then join as a reserve officer instead of chancing being drafted into a combat unit grunt,
Let me get this straight. You're defending Cheney for NEVER going into battle and getting 5 deferments, when 2 of those had nothing to do with school (getting married lol). But Kerry, who actually went to war and was involved in battle, seeks a deferment for school and you say it's a vacation deferment. Are you a real person? I'm just curious.after not being granted a vacation deferment. I say vacation deferemnt because it wasn't a higher study than his BS degree.
Cheney never going to war and seeking 5 deferments is a pretty good counter example. Oh and the fact that neither Bush nor Cheney visited Dover yet Liz Cheney feels she can criticize Obama for bringing cameras to Dover. That's a good counter "example".You liberals like to make hay about the wrong things, when you have no good examples to counter with. At least Bush did something exciting... Jets!
You are still insinuating all five deferments were when there was a war.
i don't think anyone wants to fight and die in a war.Yeah because not many people want to fight in wars and die.
Like always all opinions and no facts. I love how you people use cheney's statement against going into war with iraq and then about how he believed in a strong foreign policy. I don't like people who didnt go to war and assume most of iraqi deaths by americans are innocent civilians.Link?
It's not a bad thing. We just don't like people who get deferments then start unnecessary wars.
Did you make that argument with Reagan to Carter, Bush to Clinton, Dole to Clinton, or McCain to BHO?A man who actually fought in a war...but go on.
One he FOUGHT in.
Did he see combat?
Do any of your beliefs and values not faulter with each Democrat president?Let me get this straight. You're defending Cheney for NEVER going into battle and getting 5 deferments, when 2 of those had nothing to do with school (getting married lol). But Kerry, who actually went to war and was involved in battle, seeks a deferment for school and you say it's a vacation deferment. Are you a real person? I'm just curious.
Do you know who else didn't go to dover? the media. You know who visited bush alot-his generals. You know who visited the troops more in any year of his presidency? bush. and it wasn't a stop off for a european family vacation. Do you know who wrote personal letters to families of dead vets? Bush. Who had over thousands of visits with families of fallen soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen? Bush. Obama said it was real when he had to sign the letters going to the familymembers. Yeah.Cheney never going to war and seeking 5 deferments is a pretty good counter example. Oh and the fact that neither Bush nor Cheney visited Dover yet Liz Cheney feels she can criticize Obama for bringing cameras to Dover. That's a good counter "example".
Your logic that because you didn't serve , you shouldn't be for defending our country. That same kind of thinking should make people who have not gone over there not have credibility. it's a slippery slope.
So he's even more of a chicken because he didn't want to go into the military during peace time? I'll take that.
Thanks Captain Obvious.i don't think anyone wants to fight and die in a war.
Did he advise Bush to go to war with Iraq? Yes or no.Like always all opinions and no facts.
What are you talking about exactly?I love how you people use cheney's statement against going into war with iraq and then about how he believed in a strong foreign policy.
like Cheney?I don't like people who didnt go to war
Who said this?and assume most of iraqi deaths by americans are innocent civilians.
That's not how this works. We don't like it because Cheney was deferred and then advised his boss to start an unnecessary war. Try and keep up.Did you make that argument with Reagan to Carter, Bush to Clinton, Dole to Clinton, or McCain to BHO?
Are you really so partisan you'll defend someone who NEVER fought in battle over a man who did and was wounded in battle? You don't need to answer because I already know what you'll say.Do any of your beliefs and values not faulter with each Democrat president?
Ok.Do you know who else didn't go to dover? the media.
Yet he rarely listened to them. Funny.You know who visited bush alot-his generals.
More than what/who? Plus he should visit them a lot since he sent them to a place they didn't need to beYou know who visited the troops more in any year of his presidency? bush.
Was it a stop off for a crawford family vacation?and it wasn't a stop off for a european family vacation.
Ok. I'd be surprised if there was a president who didn't do this.Do you know who wrote personal letters to families of dead vets? Bush.
Good. I'm glad he did that. If only he wouldn't have sent them to Iraq in the first place.Who had over thousands of visits with families of fallen soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen? Bush.
What was real? What the are you talking about?Obama said it was real when he had to sign the letters going to the familymembers. Yeah.
Defending it from what exactly?Your logic that because you didn't serve , you shouldn't be for defending our country.
No it isn't. If you believe you should get 5 deferments from war, maybe you shouldn't be so eager to start one.That same kind of thinking should make people who have not gone over there not have credibility. it's a slippery slope.
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