Strawman.. I'm not advocating a public plan, at least not in this conversation...
Great concerns, any ideas on how they can be remedied? My concerns are a massive ineffcient beaureacracy, whose just as callous, but more expensive.
I have family members who routinely give medical care pro bono in the third world, they can afford to do it because of what they make here in the U.S. and they don't support goverment health care.
then what are you advocating.
I'm advocating doing away with the for-profit middleman... then finding a non-profit solution...
I agree. who will pay for it. There is no such thing as afree lunch. The cost has to come out of something.
We all have to budget our money. I qualified for food stamps but did not take it and was able to live comfortably. The average healthcare bill is cheaper than a cellphone bill, but EVERYONE has a cellphone. for The govt. should not be in the business of resueing people when they make unwise choices, just like the govt. should not be telling people what choices to make.schip is for kids. most working poor people make too much to qualify for aid, but too less to be able to afford their employers health insurance plan.
what is wrong with you. Because you vote to use other people's money to give healthy working people free healthcare, you think you did something noble. A free market healthcare saves more lives than socialized. This is the problem with libs argument. They always have to villify opposition. The insurance, the lobbiests, the doctors, the conservatives.so saving lives is callous. who would you want as surgeon general khalid sheik mohammed? my god man what is wrong with you?
If you care so much for these people you talk about, how much of your money do you give to them? All the redistribution of wealth you ascribe in thepast 50 years, which one has worked. Which one has helped. With all the free heathcare for lower income, how many of thos were able to get "on their feet" and how many became slaves of the govt? If this is so good and works sowell, how come the middle class needs it?
Why do liberals think they can run 1/6th of our economy better than people who do it for a profit?
Calling people callous for not agreeing with you and you are calling strawman?
It's been said that America has the best health care system in the world...for those who can afford it.
The for profit health care industry is responsible for procedures, and drugs and knowledge advancement,that has saved more human lives and relieved more human suffering than all the collectivist health care systems in the world put together.That's a fact. So what motive are you going to replace profit with to produce similar results.
Is it now? Care to back that up? Or you're talking out of your ass again, micca?
"that has saved more human lives and relieved more human suffering than all the collectivist health care systems in the world put together.That's a fact."
that's bull , not a fact, for justifying exorbitant, rip-off prices. Not every medical problem requires 5-star, gold-plated cost.
Medical procedures and training travel very well in a totally connected medical industry. You really think the USA has talent and secret procedures and US-only drugs not available in other advanced countries, that achieve better results with much lower costs.
Look at all the latest medicines and prescriptions. They come from for-profit companies.
More reading fail.
Reducing costs by reducing insurance's take, requiring transparent and standardized pricing and the like, does not materially effect the profit motive for the doctor. What El Nono is talking about in this thread is tweaking the form of payment, not the form of delivery.
You called yourself callous.
In order to claim you're not callous, you said there's the ER and all these government programs then you proceeded to claim that you hate all these programs and would like to see them gone.
I don't really care if you're callous. That's your choice.
And I call strawman because you cannot quote me asking for a public plan in this thread.
Great so rather than deal with where we're at, your just going to play some childish bull game. It's a hard nut to crack but rather than really try and crack it your gonna play games fine go play games but don't ask america to share your dellusion.
People work for reward, they don't work for the collective.If all you who rally agianst the profit motive actually got of your ass and actually gave of yourselves, there would be no need for health insurance.If you don't have faith in your vision why should anyone else.
What has made the west such a creative and vital place, is the value we place on the individual.
No one disputes that.
What El Nono is drawing attention to is how insurance drives cost all on its own.
I would have never been able to afford out of pocket all the preventave care I've gotten over the years, the fact that the great majority of Americans are content with their insurance plan does not support your ideas.
So you can't back it up, micca. That's what I thought.
You mean the great majority of Americans that can actually afford an insurance plan AND are happy with their plans... which in turn is actually a minority?
Instead of listening to what El Nono is actually saying, you are pretending the conversation is about something else and making that your soapbox.
You don't really do conversation, do you micca?
Think of all the ground-breaking research done by Humana, Cigna, and Blue Cross.
And readfail..... replacing it with a non profit middleman?
You don't want certain thing brought up do you precious.
I know where they come from. And all those companies are ready to adapt to different conditions. After all, all these drug companies have no problem selling their same medicines to other countries at 1/3 the cost they sell them to the US. But all those companies do provide an actual healthcare service, much like a doctor. How do you justify the for-profit insurance company though?
There is such a thing as not for profit insurance.
Sure. Even your fellow Republicans mentioned non-profit cooperatives...
The concept of non-profit insurance is not new...
No, I was just drawing attention your proven inability to focus on what people say, and your innate love of non-responsive soapbox ranting.
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