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    Okay, it's deviant. Now will you tell me why that one specific deviant behavior should disqualify people from getting married when no other deviant behavior between two consenting adults does?
    excuse me but why are you drawing the line at just two consenting adults is it some magic number.

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    There are exactly as many criminal convictions in the U.S of people getting gay marriages as there are criminal convictions in Sweden of pastors giving sermons on sexuals.

    Still waiting on your additional "shot across the bow" evidence btw..........
    hate crime legislation has been used throughout europe by the left to silence all kinds of political dissent.

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    Oh really and what is the name of the gay activist who was arrested for advocating gay marriage or jailed for saying christianity was a blight on society, during the same time the pastor was put in jail.
    The operative word from my post was "conviction". The pastor's conviction was overturned and he was acquitted. I've already said that the pastor was wrongfully prosecuted. Higher courts in Sweden agreed.

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    excuse me but why are you drawing the line at just two consenting adults is it some magic number.
    Good point. I don't draw the line at two. If three people want to get married, I'm fine with that too. Basically, I don't give a what consenting adults do amongst themselves.

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    hate crime legislation has been used throughout europe by the left to silence all kinds of political dissent.
    Then you should have no trouble providing me an additional example of Sweden's effort to force the church into accepting sexuality.

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    Then you should have no trouble providing me an additional example of Sweden's effort to force the church into accepting sexuality.
    You are being purposely obtuse. The fact that a PARLIMENT in a republic would EVEN CONTEMPLATE jailing some one for esposing politically incorrect speech should be alarming.We're not talking about an overzealous on the police force here.We are talking a parliment pondering making it a crime for a pastor to call sexuality a sin.
    The only thing stopping them from making it a law was not some sense of justice but the peoples reaction.

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    Good point. I don't draw the line at two. If three people want to get married, I'm fine with that too. Basically, I don't give a what consenting adults do amongst themselves.
    I don't care what they do either, but I do care when they try and co-opt the ins ution of marriage.Start your own ins utions.
    I find it ironic that most the people who support gay marrige, including gays themselves, as some sort of "right".Get outraged and disgusted about closet polygamists, funny but I've never seen a gay marriage activist at the trial of a polyigamist crying for justice.

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    I hope the Iraq war comes to a vote too.
    I think that it has twice in 2004 and 2008.

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    You are being purposely obtuse.
    Well, you are being unintentionally obtuse.

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    the only argument I can make against sexuality is that I think that kids being raised by two adults of the same gender will be at a social disadvantage at some point later on.

    It's a flimsy argument though because there is no evidence to back it up with so really, there is no good reason not to allow gay marriage.

    There's also really no good reason not to allow polygamist marriage, incestual marriage or bestial marriage.

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    I never said that sexuality being a deviant behavior should disqualify gays from being able to get married. I was just stating that's a big reason why people haven't accepted gay marriage as being normal. Gays can get married if they want to. It doesn't matter to me. For me, I don't give a about gay rights. Gays can do whatever they want. I'm not the type of person that's going to being waving a rainbow flag at a gay pride parade or the type of person that has signs that say like "Gods hate s".

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    There's also really no good reason not to allow polygamist marriage, incestual marriage or bestial marriage.
    With incest and bestiality questions of consent may arise in addition to the passion that ordinarily confronts the tabooed. Apples and oranges IMO.

    But I agree with you that there's basically no good reason to disallow polygamy.

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    POLYGAMY, n. A house of atonement, or expiatory chapel, fitted with several stools of repentance, as distinguished from monogamy, which has but one
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    I am not telling someone how to live their life, unless it involves them forcing their beliefs on me.

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    People just aren't ready for inter-racial marriage. African Americans and whites need to realize that. Some states might be ready and okay with it but there are a lot of states that aren't fans of inter-racial marriage. That's the truth... It deviates from the norms of society.
    the only argument I can make against inter-racial marriage is that I think that kids being raised by two adults of different races will be at a social disadvantage at some point later on.

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    ploto: there is no parallel between someone born of a certain race, and some one's sexual preference.

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    Looking back I realize there was a better way of writing what I meant. It's funny how trolls scan posts for these, instead of commenting on anything else.

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    I don't care what they do either, but I do care when they try and co-opt the ins ution of marriage.Start your own ins utions.
    Did you care when government co-opted the ins ution of marriage by requiring people to pay for marriage licenses in order to have their union legally recognized? Did you care when atheists co-opted the ins ution of marriage by forming unions in non-religous ceremonies? Why is it just the gays who need to go "start their own ins utions"?

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    Evangelicals are people who feel god wants them to preach the word.
    1. You can switch gay with any word.
    2. Are we talking protestants? Protestants do not go against the Lord's commandments. Protestants also do not go against the Natural law.
    3. Now we are talkin real rghts. speech and assembly are god given cons utional rights. People wanting to change the definition of marriage are not cons utionally protected to do so.

    It is not the ill effects I am worried about. The problem is marriage is not a right. It is not a Govt. en y that is distributed evenly. This is a religious custom. The one man, one woman marriage in our society comes from our Judeo-Christian background. Some Followers of Jesus believe that when married you are both giving your life to Abbah and becoming one. Marriage is a pact with god. This cannot be possible since a sexual couple are living in sin. Don't get me wrong - it is a sin among sins. Sorry I do not mean to get into religion. I am not telling someone how to live their life, unless it involves them forcing their beliefs on me. I hope they find something appropriate like giving the union.

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    [QUOTE=panic giraffe;3802233]my god man, i thought you said you were married at 19, not that you are 19...
    by that logic sex is a health hazard, not just the kind of a -sexual variaty, did you know that something like 86% of the worlds population gets some sort of STD at one point in their life so if you use that, then NO ONE but a 14% can get married
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    so if person a has a child, decides to become true to their self and tell their partner that they are gay with person b, then person a and b have no child?

    by that logic, i hope you don't have any step kids you have to disown tonight...
    fail.


    ? what does this have to do with the question of marriage?
    prejuduce much?
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    never said there was either, said it was debated as opposed to the two other choices

    um, so do you read a lot of L.Ron or something? where is you're proof for this?



    how is choosing to live your life different unhealthy? so by that logic, all people should just be some grey middle of everything...not a very fun world...
    but very nazi of you indeed.
    but once again, what the does this have to do w/gay marriage?


    i never said that, i just said it doesn't affect me either way, so who am i to trample someones right to be happy? who am i to ask what other people do in their own homes...and the right has been saying the left has been facist as of late?.......
    None of your rebuttals inspires a response from me.

    They did not directly refute anything I said.

    So they still stand, so I will just be repeating myself.

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    Ake Green, pastor of a Pentecostal congregation in Kalmar, Sweden, was sentenced to one month in prison on a charge of inciting hatred against sexuals. Pastor Green was prosecuted for his sermon in a January hearing, where he was found guilty of "hate speech against sexuals" for a sermon preached in 2003.

    According to press reports, Pastor Green condemned sexuality as "abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumor in the body of society." His comments were delivered as part of a sermon, drawn from biblical texts, dealing with the sin of sexuality. In Sweden, biblical preaching is now a crime.

    The prosecution of a Christian pastor for the crime of preaching a biblical sermon sets a new low for the culture of political correctness. Evangelical Christians--and all those who cherish civil liberties--should observe this case with great interest and concern. Those who reject biblical truth are now set on silencing Christian pulpits--all in the name of tolerance, acceptance, and diversity.

    The logic of this prosecution is driven by the ardent determination of sexual activists to make all criticism of sexuality illegal. The logic of many hate crimes statutes plays right into this ideological strategy. By silencing all opposition, advocates for the normalization of sexuality have the public square entirely to themselves, with defenders of biblical sexuality and the traditional family left without a voice and risking prosecution for any language or argument deemed offensive by the guardians of political correctness.

    In response to the protest by the Slovakian Interior Minister, Cecilia Julin, the Swedish ambassador to Slovakia, explained: "Swedish law states that public addresses cannot be used to instigate hatred towards a certain group." So much for free speech and religious liberty.

    Sweden passed its hate speech statute in 2002, explicitly including "church sermons" as subject to the law's restrictions. As the Riksdag, Sweden's parliament, debated the legislation, the nation's chancellor of justice released a public note stating that a church sermon characterizing sexual behaviors as sinful "might" be considered a criminal offense. That "might" must now be replaced with "will," proved by Pastor Green's conviction and jail term.
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    from an article :

    sexuality is unnatural.

    Genetic traits are passed on hereditarily. All that we are is a result of our ancestors. Sex is primarily a biological function designed for procreation. sexuality would have to be passed on by recessive genes, like forms of blindness, dwarfism and re ation. If gay genes exist, a pattern for that recessive trait could be established as it would require both parents to be carriers. If one claims to be "born gay," one is claiming to be a biological mistake, a freak of nature.

    sexuality is unhealthy.

    A brief search of medical journals found:

    The Archives of Internal Medicine, " sexually active men are significantly more likely to report syphilis and less likely to present with primary syphilis than heterosexual men."

    New England Journal of Medicine, "At least 80 percent of sexual men presenting to our sexually transmitted disease clinic with anorectal or intestinal symptoms were infected with one or more sexually transmissible anorectal or enteric pathogens. Such infections were also found in 39 percent of sexual men presenting to the clinic without intestinal symptoms."

    Harrisonís Principles of Internal Medicine, "In one New York Study, all nontraveled immunocompetent males with giardiasis were, in fact, sexual."

    New England Journal of Medicine, "Anal intercourse may predispose to anal cancer through the transmission of an infection, most probably infection with human papillomavirus."

    The Journal of the American Medical Association, "among men, report of any lifetime sexual activity was associated with an elevated risk for HSV-2 [herpes simplex virus - 2]."

    American Journal of Medicine,"... heterosexual men in a sexually transmitted disease clinic have a substantially lower prevalence of cytomegalovirus seropositivity than do sexual men."

    The Centers for Disease Control reveal that sexuals make up 80 percent of all AIDS cases in America. Heterosexual contact accounts for only 8 percent of the cases.

    In addition, the rate of suicide attempts among sexuals is three times higher than that of normal males.

    sexuality is immoral.

    My morals have no more validity than those of the relativist, because we are both human, both fallible and of a limited perspective. Nor do the shared beliefs of a majority of people dictate morality. If nine of ten people find murder an acceptable practice, that does not make it so. The source of moral judgment must lie outside of humanity, it must be changeless, and of an infinite perspective.

    For the Christian, that authority is the God whose will is expressed through the Bible and the traditions of the Church — both of which expressly condemn sexuality. Indeed, none of the world's major religions approve of sexuality. For the nonreligious, the highest source of authority is the natural law. sexuality transgresses natural law by subverting the propagation of the species. The consequences of transgressing natural law are often obvious; if you touch fire, you will be burned. Surely, the long list of diseases associated with sexuality is evidence of causation.

    America must never allow this unnatural, unhealthy and immoral life style to become normalized. Consider the example of the Catholic Church. In the 1950's, the Church in America began welcoming sexuals into the priesthood. It was believed that their sexual orientation was unimportant because they would take vows of chas y. The results have been disastrous; over ten thousand young boys have been sexually abused by priests. The Catholic Church has been devastated by failing to recognize the destructive nature of sexuality. Our nation must not make the same mistake. We must have the courage to stand on this principle, regardless of the names we are called.

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    If you're that freaked out, just have two sons and hedge your bets.

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    The illusion that the sexual lifestyle is a normal way of living has been successfully propagated by promoting a "victim" image for sexual persons, and by the pseudo-science alleging a ‘gay" gene.

    Of the reports alleging, or promising soon down the road, a "gay" gene, not a single one has survived scientific peer review. There is no "gay" gene.

    On the other hand, the evidence does show that sexual persons are indeed victims -- but overwhelmingly of their own behavior, not that of others.

    Typical sexual behavior includes regular contact with fecal matter from oneself and from sexual partners, tragically reversing several centuries of learning about cleanliness, and thus several centuries of growing lifespan. sexual behavior makes no more sense than playing in the toilet.

    All available evidence indicates that the lifespan of practicing sexual persons is drastically shortened by their behavior. No reliable study indicates otherwise. The lifespan topic is taboo among sexual advocates because the evidence is so damaging to their case.

    The following information has been adapted from website: http://www.cprmd.org/ (Sorry, link gone.) References are cited in chronological order. This information represents a fair summary of the available evidence concerning sexual lifespan. It indicates that on average, even apart from AIDS, sexual persons will probably not live past their 40’s, an appalling loss of about 30 years, or nearly 40% of normal American lifespan.

    Just some food for thought. Few straight people stop to consider exactly what sexuals are actually doing. It is actually very unhealthy and abnormal. You might argue that some heterosexuals also engage in unhealthy abnormal sexual behavior. That is true, but they are a small minority and they too will suffer the health consequences of their abnormal sexual behaviors.

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