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[hope4dopes]

they also had a heavy hand when it came to the chiapas uprising. so, what is your point?





Typical, and ridiculous. A bunch of American minutmen go down to the border to assist the border patrol, and have never killed a single person, and they are called blood thirsty white racist looking to shoot brown babies.

Meanwhile the Mexican army is stuffing bodies in ditches in Chiapas and it's called........heavy handed........ Dude you can't be taken seriously.

[Wild Cobra]

don't let your racism against mexicans show too much, ok?

i mean, where in that "rant" did i even mention mexico by name? watch too much dobbs, eh?

i said illegal immigrants, and if you think that it was native born americans who built our railroads, toiled during the industrial age in sweatshops, picked our crops, etc, then you really must have slept during history class, or at least too busy jerkin off to mein kampf to pay attention to how this country was built. immigrants made and will remake this country, thats just what happens when you have a country built on a ideal instead of a national iden y, same goes when you have a living do ent as the backbone of you're law and not the bible or koran. this country was based on the theory that you adapt to make your life better, thats all that immigrants want, why do you hate the idea of america so much?

and please give me an example of how an illegal immigrant has taken money from our tax system.

My God, you are such a putz.

Immigration back then was controlled and welcomed. Ever hear of Ellis Island?

[panic giraffe]

they also had a heavy hand when it came to the chiapas uprising. so, what is your point?





Typical, and ridiculous. A bunch of American minutmen go down to the border to assist the border patrol, and have never killed a single person, and they are called blood thirsty white racist looking to shoot brown babies.

Meanwhile the Mexican army is stuffing bodies in ditches in Chiapas and it's called........heavy handed........ Dude you can't be taken seriously.

what's your obsession with mexican border laws?

[rjv]

I'm not concerned about legal immigrants, and I didn't see your quoted material distingush between legal and illegal hispanics.

I don't care where they are from. I want illegal immigration to be stopped.

i never heard the term "legal hispanic" before. that would make a nice mantra for some groups i'm sure.

[panic giraffe]

i never heard the term "legal hispanic" before. that would make a nice mantra for some groups i'm sure.

haha so am i a legal hispanic?

god i hate that word, hispanic.

in my mind its no better than .

[Wild Cobra]

what's your obsession with mexican border laws?

I don't know about Hope, buy the Mexican government actually tells there citizens how to get here, but place a tight, heavy handed control, on their other borders.

I wonder how they would respond if we treated their citizens like they treat Guatamalians crossing their border?

[Wild Cobra]

i never heard the term "legal hispanic" before. that would make a nice mantra for some groups i'm sure.

What was the pont of the report you linked?

We are talking about illegal immigrants. Not legal ones.

[rjv]

they also had a heavy hand when it came to the chiapas uprising. so, what is your point?





Typical, and ridiculous. A bunch of American minutmen go down to the border to assist the border patrol, and have never killed a single person, and they are called blood thirsty white racist looking to shoot brown babies.

Meanwhile the Mexican army is stuffing bodies in ditches in Chiapas and it's called........heavy handed........ Dude you can't be taken seriously.

it was blood thirsty, as was that of everything the governments of nicaragua, el salvador and guatemala did as well. all to benefit corporate interest in the US. in fact, many covert operations against the indigenous of the america's were conducted by the CIA. so you agree, this was unethical and immoral and should be condoned at all levels from the US to the mexican government to corporate interests...

as i stated: you are on the same page as mecha. do not be so quick to condone.

[Wild Cobra]

god i hate that word, hispanic.

in my mind its no better than .

I know what you mean. How many belong to Spain?

Do you prefer Latino?

[panic giraffe]

I don't know about Hope, buy the Mexican government actually tells there citizens how to get here, but place a tight, heavy handed control, on their other borders.

I wonder how they would respond if we treated their citizens like they treat Guatamalians crossing their border?

so true, and i didn't know that til i tried to go to mexico.

i just remember thinking "what the are you talking about permiso i got in american money just let me go to the interior.

but i fail to see what this has to do with our border policy or enforcement.

[rjv]

What was the pont of the report you linked?

We are talking about illegal immigrants. Not legal ones.

then read the IPC report or go to the bureau of labor and look at the statistics on the wages for illegals compared to foreign born in the construction industry and then compare the jobs assigned to illegals (predominantly non skilled) versus to who the trade and skilled jobs go to.

[rjv]

I know what you mean. How many belong to Spain?

Do you prefer Latino?

maybe you can suggest legal mexicans to the census bureau

[Wild Cobra]

then read the IPC report or go to the bureau of labor and look at the statistics on the wages for illegals compared to foreign born in the construction industry and then compare the jobs assigned to illegals (predominantly non skilled) versus to who the trade and skilled jobs go to.

I don't need to look it up. I have friends in the construction industry put out of work by illegal construction workers years ago.

the illegals.

[rjv]

I don't need to look it up. I have friends in the construction industry put out of work by illegal construction workers years ago.

the illegals.

of course, personal testimonies are always so much less biased than actual statistics.

[Wild Cobra]

of course, personal testimonies are always so much less biased than actual statistics.

I don't care what the statistics for illegals are.

They should be ZERO!

[panic giraffe]

it was blood thirsty, as was that of everything the governments of nicaragua, el salvador and guatemala did as well. all to benefit corporate interest in the US. in fact, many covert operations against the indigenous of the america's were conducted by the CIA. so you agree, this was unethical and immoral and should be condoned at all levels from the US to the mexican government to corporate interests...

as i stated: you are on the same page as mecha. do not be so quick to condone.

stop judging MEChA or claim to know what they stand for. i was a mechista throughout college and still consider myself one.

All the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán want is to advance our own communities through scholarship and academics, anyone who believes anything else watches too much bill o.

seriously, fundraiser, student awareness, mentorship, and about as radical as we got was protest and getting laborers organized. reconquista is a completely different movement. of course you're gonna have those that subscribe to both, but that's like branding all teabaggers racist and not singling out the real racists and those who just disagree with the presidents policies.

[panic giraffe]

I know what you mean. How many belong to Spain?

Do you prefer Latino?

um, born in sa, vet, american or texan works fine for me.

do you consider yourself euro or american?

i dunno, "of chicano/tejano origin"?

[Wild Cobra]

um, born in sa, vet, american or texan works fine for me.

do you consider yourself euro or american?

i dunno, "of chicano/tejano origin"?

I think American then suits both of us.

A friend of mine calls himself a Tex-Mex.

[word]

Joe Arpaio...Maricopa County...this idiot was on OAI last week, Joe Pags coudn't suck his hard enough cause he likes to kick out Mexicans who want work...

When his deputies aren't making up laws they spend time violating attorney-Client privileges....

Seriously, when did Judge Roy Bean law come to Arizona?

I am as white male irish middle aged republican conservative as there is...and I can't stand either the sheriff or joe pags and have gone so far as to write a letter to WOAI complaining of this dufus.

It didn't work. But I tried man, I tried.

[hope4dopes]

stop judging MEChA or claim to know what they stand for. i was a mechista throughout college and still consider myself one.

All the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán want is to advance our own communities through scholarship and academics, anyone who believes anything else watches too much bill o.

seriously, fundraiser, student awareness, mentorship, and about as radical as we got was protest and getting laborers organized. reconquista is a completely different movement. of course you're gonna have those that subscribe to both, but that's like branding all teabaggers racist and not singling out the real racists and those who just disagree with the presidents policies.

HAHAHA even the national council of la raza cut la mecha loose because of it's racist credo.Take pride HAHAHA

[hope4dopes]

it was blood thirsty, as was that of everything the governments of nicaragua, el salvador and guatemala did as well. all to benefit corporate interest in the US. in fact, many covert operations against the indigenous of the america's were conducted by the CIA. so you agree, this was unethical and immoral and should be condoned at all levels from the US to the mexican government to corporate interests...

as i stated: you are on the same page as mecha. do not be so quick to condone.

Boy you just can't cop to the fact that mexicans don't need the yanquees to supress them they been doing just fine on their own native greed. Spreading hate America bull might make you feel better but the denial of reality does nothing to help the people of Mexico.

[hope4dopes]

stop judging MEChA or claim to know what they stand for. i was a mechista throughout college and still consider myself one.

All the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán want is to advance our own communities through scholarship and academics, anyone who believes anything else watches too much bill o.

seriously, fundraiser, student awareness, mentorship, and about as radical as we got was protest and getting laborers organized. reconquista is a completely different movement. of course you're gonna have those that subscribe to both, but that's like branding all teabaggers racist and not singling out the real racists and those who just disagree with the presidents policies.

MEChA isn't at all shy about their goals, or their views of other races. Their founding principles are contained in these words in "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan" (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

"In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. ... Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. ... We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."

That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."



Like I said even la raza cut these haters loose, well at least publicly, I'm sure they're still in bed togther.

[panic giraffe]

HAHAHA even the national council of la raza cut la mecha loose because of it's racist credo.Take pride HAHAHA

gawddamnit!!! stop calling it that. there is no such thing as "la mecha" there is however a MEChA. racist credo? really show me? you really hate people of mexican decent huh? educating our young is racist?

[panic giraffe]

MEChA isn't at all shy about their goals, or their views of other races. Their founding principles are contained in these words in "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan" (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

"In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. ... Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. ... We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."

That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."



Like I said even la raza cut these haters loose, well at least publicly, I'm sure they're still in bed togther.

so do tell...what does bill o'riley's taste like? cause you seem to be all over it. go to a MEChA meeting and tell me how many racist you see. i'll even offer to go to a minutemen meeting and do the same reporting, i'll guarantee you i'll see more racists then you do. what do you have against chicanos going to college?

[panic giraffe]

seriously do these kids look like domestic terrorist or racists aimed at taking back the motherland to you? http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/mecha/index.html