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Did you not read that post? If I'm a GM, give me Paul or Howard. If I'm a coach for the 09/10 season, give me Dirk and Duncan.
No, he is not.
Carmelo is a two-way player now. Can you seriously argue that Paul is a good defensive player? And this isn't about what he did before Billups got to Denver, it's about RIGHT NOW.The only thing Carmelo has over Paul is shooting. He can't control the flow of an offense like an elite player is capable of, an he didn't do anything until Billups got to Denver.
I'm dead serious. I'm not going on past achievements, although Dirk has taken a team with Josh Howard and Jason Terry as his backup to the Finals, while CP3 couldn't get David West, Tyson Chandler and Peja past the 2nd round with HCA. Dirk is playing the best ball of his career right now. Anybody who actually watches the games would recognize this. And if you try to tell me he doesn't play any defense, then you're just not paying attention. He's not Bill Russell, but he's never out of position, his rotations and awareness are good, and he's not a liability. Combine that with the fact that he is a much better facilitator and sees the floor better, and he's a better player now than he was in 2006 when he got the Mavs to the Finals, or in 2007 when he was given the MVP award. Golden State copied the Houston Rockets' strategy of 2005, which was basically force him to put the ball on the floor and send the double team from different spaces on the floor and with different players, so he'd never know when and where it was coming from. You can't do that now. The Spurs tried the Golden State strategy in the first round last year and it didn't work. He's one of the more underrated players in the League, considering his playoff failures count against him while LeBron's and CP3's don't.Nope. Come on, be serious here.
Did you not read that post? If I'm a GM, give me Paul or Howard. If I'm a coach for the 09/10 season, give me Dirk and Duncan.
Robert Horry > Michael JordanSerious talk: Wade is proving he can't play efficiently from the perimeter. He's jacking threes/20foot jumpers like crazy. When he's not throwing his body at the rim with the refs gifting him calls then he's not nearly as effective. It's only going to get worse for him as he gets older.
No. This season reigning finals MVP Kobe 49% > 1st round exit fodder Wade 42.9%
Also, I love the Finals MVP mention. Was Paul Pierce better than Kobe Bryant after the 2008 Finals?
Why? Neither Dirk nor Duncan are better than Paul and Howard AT THIS POINT IN THEIR CAREERS.
So you're comparing Kobe > Wade to Horry > Jordan. Look how dumb you are!Robert Horry > Michael Jordan
No because people can just watch the two and play see who the better player is.
The vast majority of sane people understand and acknowledge that Kobe > Wade, Kobe > Pierce
Well, that's where I differ from you, because I clearly think they are.
And why do you think that, when it clearly isn't true? What makes Dirk and Timmy better than Paul and Howard at this point in their careers?
, going back to 2007-2008, why would say that?
No, I'm just trying to show that championships do not make one player better than another.
To redzero and other would be Witnesses: Have you seen Kobe's low post-game lately?
And you failed miserably with your non sequiturNo, I'm just trying to show that championships do not make one player better than another.
There's a reason the vote wasn't even close. It's not like Kobe is the protagonist here. They're voting him on basketball skill.But, according to Sporting News’ panel of experts, Bryant is the clear-cut No. 1. Bryant tops SN’s list of the 50 greatest players in the NBA today, as selected by a panel of 107 Hall of Famers, major award winners, executives, current players and coaches and other basketball experts.
This King James stuff is more like an idea that we're all waiting for. Yet it every season it never comes. Maybe it'll come after Kobe retires.
And in that Finals series, Kobe willed his team to win and beat the crap out of the Cs.Robert Horry > Michael Jordan
Also, I love the Finals MVP mention. Was Paul Pierce better than Kobe Bryant after the 2008 Finals?
PPG:To redzero and other would be Witnesses: Have you seen Kobe's low post-game lately?
There's a reason the vote wasn't even close. It's not like Kobe is the protagonist here. They're voting him on basketball skill.
This King James stuff is more like an idea that we're all waiting for. Yet it every season it never comes. Maybe it'll come after Kobe retires.
LeBron: 28.2
Kobe: 28.8
RPG:
LeBron: 6.8
Kobe: 5.3
APG:
LeBron: 8.1
Kobe: 4.0
FG%:
LeBron: .518
Kobe: .489
PER:
LeBron: 31.0
Kobe: 25.8
Yeah, that low post game has helped in score a whopping .6 points more than LeBron on worse shooting percentages. And Kobe's not even in the top 20 in eFG%. I guess Kobe's better skill doesn't actually translate into him playing better.
Findog it's mid range consistency rather than shooting range I think you're talking about.
Sounds right. For now. Too bad Wade will go down the path of Anfernee Hardaway.
Bynum is too high on the list
Bynum>>>Nene
funny list:
Nash > DW and TP
Arenas in the top 30 really ?
KG > Dirk, Anthony..
Speaking about overated Pierce 10?
Bosh is way too low
Nene is damn high I like him but come on
etc..
1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Dirk
5. Dwight Howard
6. Tim Duncan
7. Chris Paul
8. Tony
9. Manu
10.
no homer
i watched the lakers-nuggets serie, can't agree there
Last year Bynum was an absolute mess coming back from his knee injury. This year Bynum is better then Nene, no doubti watched the lakers-nuggets serie, can't agree there
at 10.
That's your infantile opinion that it isn't true.
It's self-evident when you watch them play. I have a hard time putting Chris Paul in the Top 5 players in the league when he gets locked down by Dahntay Jones and gets outplayed by Chauncey Billups. If you want to go back to 07-08, Dirk has gone just as far in the playoffs as Paul has, and he was just as magnificent as Paul was in that first-round series when New Orleans beat Dallas, but the 08 Hornets were a much better team than the 08 Mavs. And I have a hard time putting Dwight Howard ahead of Tim Duncan when he has no low-post game to speak of and has nowhere near the basketball IQ that Duncan has.What makes Dirk and Timmy better than Paul and Howard at this point in their careers?
Christ, what a mess after Bryant & James.
Wade is easily #3.
Kobe's best basketball skill is to refuse playing for a small market like Charlotte, force a trade to a franchise with a glorious past and great destination for free agents, get one of the 10 best center to win 3 rings for him, force said center out, have his team suck for 3 years, and then somehow, miraculously, get an all-star center for nothing.
For some strange reasons, Kobe's leadership skills sucked when he had horrible teammates, and then suddenly, miraculously, his leadership skills became great when his GM got him all-star caliber teammates.
Stupid analysts are stupid. They just like going off on extremes and attribute a team's success and failures onto one single player.
I don't buy his game, Fin. He's a lucky stiff, a good time Charley, a straw dog.
Oh, dem grapes is sour.
Kobe's greatness can't be denied.
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