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Udo, with the goods.
I disregarded the list when i saw Tim Legler was on the panel.
Udo, with the goods.
He seems like a pretty smart guy.
put LeBroom in a stacked team like LA. All of his numbers will drop. Look at Spurs and Celtics stats. Rarely in these squads have guys averaging over 22 PPG.
LeBron has to do so much more than Kobe for his team. heck in 05-06 kobe was averaging 35 PPG, when that squad featured smush parker, kwame brown, and Luke Walton as starters.
Right now LeBron is LeBroom until he can prove otherwise. he isn't consistent from the perimeter or FT, and the only thing he is good at is running the fast break. he's nearly unstoppable on a break.
I am waiting to see LeBron become the best player in the league. I have seen time, and time again when Kobe took complete control of games that even featured elite defenders on him (bowen, battier, and sometimes artest),while I vividly remember the CLE vs HOU, where they completely shut down LeBron. Please let me know when LeBron gets to Kobe's level in that regard. I REALLY want to see another guy dominate like that for the next several years. It's frickin awesome.
Dirk isn't as effective as Paul? come on man. that's homerism at the peak. Dirk is an offensive machine.
121-63 never happened to Dirk.
Cool assumption, bro.
Also, I could have sworn that Kobe takes more shots than LeBron does. Oh, and LeBron is shooting far better from the 3 than Kobe is.
I've thought LeBron has been better than Kobe over the last year. But this season? I really do think that Kobe has been better than LeBron. I am usually Kobe's biggest critic, but he's been very good this season/
Exactly, RedZero. Well stated. And Bryant has played with either Shaquille or Gasol for 75% of his career, yet he still can't shoot any better than 45.5%. And even the 45.5% has been helped by getting bailed out of numerous bad shots by the inevitable whistle that comes with being an anointed one, i.e. a Laker.
The truth is that if Bryant played for any other team than LA, NY, or Chicago, he would be spoken of no higher than a Vince Carter.
The best thing Bryant has ever done as a pro is force the trade from Charlotte when he was drafted. He actually refused to play there, and this is before he ever put on an NBA uniform. So his sense of en lement has been there all along. How lovely. If he wasn't a Laker, absloutely nobody would care.
To me he's a guy who scores a lot of points because he shoots a ton and gets every whistle. Big whoop.
Oh, dem grapes are sour.
ok, but what happens if Duncan was drafted by Boston?
Even a blind squirrel can throw a grape into the bathtub.
He seems like a pretty smart guy.
Seriously though..you guys need to look at that list and think about how credible it is for a second..most of those rankings are outrageous..
And Paul never lost to an inferior team in the first round after posting a 67-15 record, and winning the MVP.
Okay, time to use cold, hard facts.
From 08-09:
FG%
Paul: .503
Nowitzki: .479
TS%
Paul: .599
Nowitzki: .564
eFG%
Paul: .528
Nowitzki: .498
Offensive Rating
Paul: 124.4
Nowitzki:
Defensive Rating
Paul: 103.1
Nowitzki:
Offensive Win Shares
Paul: 13.3
Nowitzki: 7.5
Defensive Win Shares
Paul: 5.0
Nowitzki:
Win Shares
Paul: 18.3
Nowitzki: 10.9
Sorry, I couldn't find a few of Dirk's stats on the league leaders page.
Clearly, Findog lives in a bizarro world where having less of an impact on the game makes one better. But then again, facts don't matter, right?
The thing that is funny that redzero, baseline ...feel that they know more than educated basketball experts that evaluate basketball for a living ...granted I know the media sucks but I trust explayer and GM's over inetrnet fan-site expert ...I notice you dont make those assertions about the place of your favorite players (baseline/redzero) just the guys you don't like ...but it's Ok Kobe doesnt need your validation when his peers and the guys in the league and that played have called him the best ...hey even Lil Wayne knows!! LOL
Dirk has accomplished way more in the playoffs than Paul has. If you don't want Paul's playoff failures to count against him (choking up a 2-0 lead and HCA against the Spurs and letting Jannero Pargo, getting locked down by Dahntay Jones and getting outplayed by Chauncey Billups, 121-63), then you can't do the same with Dirk.
Then your comparison is useless.Sorry, I couldn't find a few of Dirk's stats on the league leaders page.
The fact is that Dirk is better and has won more. The one time Chrissy had a decent supporting cast, he choked up a 2-0 lead and HCA in the 2nd round. Dirk got to the Finals. Advanced Stats in basketball are not the end-all, be-all.Clearly, Findog lives in a bizarro world where having less of an impact on the game makes one better. But then again, facts don't matter, right?
Last edited by Findog; 12-03-2009 at 03:54 PM.
Kobe has 4 teammates in the top 50, LeBron with one and way overrated.
interesting
your logic is as twisted as your avatar. sorry, can't take you seriously
I was using duhohs reasoning against him.
Next time, maybe Dirk should actually perform well enough to get his name in the top 20.Then your comparison is useless.
No, he isn't.The fact is that Dirk is better and has won more.
He didn't choke any lead. He lost to a better team.The one time Chrissy had a decent supporting cast, he choked up a 2-0 lead and HCA in the 2nd round.
Where he proceeded to lose four games straight to a one man team. Dirk has been to the top, and he's had the supporting cast to back him up. And I knew you would ignore the phrase "At this point in their careers."Dirk got to the Finals.
Especially not when they show that your claims aren't true.Advanced Stats in basketball are not the end-all, be-all.
Of course, you claim that Dirk is a better offensive player, I give you evidence showing that he's not, but my logic's twisted.your logic is as twisted as your avatar. sorry, can't take you seriously
Colin Cowheard said in his show this morning that Bynum is the only guy on that list that can easily go from low rank to the top 20 by the end of the year. He is impressed with the numbers he is having with 4 other guys in the top 50 on the same team.
You could say that playing with Kobe has vaulted Gasoft, Odumb and Glassman into the Top 50.
Ariza also went from a bench-warmer into a highly sought after player.
For Bynum and Odom at least that is true. Pau has just been placed higher ever since he got on a better team.
LeBron hasn't put forth the consistent effort defensively this season that he did last season. He's also turning it over more.
He's playing at a high level- he always does- but he's been better.
this poll is biased on the number of rings each person has won.
TD is nowhere near top five today, top 15 sure, but top 5 in the current NBA? seriously?
Melo's having a way better season than Dwade, but since wade has won 1 ring, he's up there in top 3?
Dirk has more impact on the game tbh.
He can rebound, block, steal, way better than chris paul, and can take over a game when needed, even if his teammates are sucking.
When chris paul's teammates are sucking, he lacks the ability to take over the game, and his nifty assist don't mean squat if his teammates aren't shooting the ball well. He lacks the size to impose his will on the game, and that is why the hornets loss to the nuggets 121-63
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