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    Yeah, this was also the same for the Netherlands, some years ago almost the whole team was made up of players from Suriname, which was a Dutch Colony. Seedorf, Davids, Kluivert etc..... But now, there are more Dutch people.

    If that team of 1998 would have played for Suriname, Suriname would have been one of the best nations in the world
    Damn

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    U.S. won't overlook its opponents


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    By Jeff Carlisle, ESPNsoccernet
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    Remember the old adage, "Be careful what you wish for, you may get it?" The U.S. men's national team should.

    GettyImagesWith stars like Karim Ziani playing in Europe, Algeria won't be a pushover.


    After years of getting the proverbial short end of the World Cup draw, last Friday the Americans received the kind of first-round group that manager Bob Bradley could only dream of. Yet with it comes some uncharted territory. The U.S. is now in the unfamiliar position of being favorites to progress to the second round. Those expectations come with the kind of pressure that they haven't always coped well with in the past, and closer inspection of their opponents reveals plenty of reasons to be wary.

    The U.S. will face group heavyweights England in its opener on June 12, a match that will contain enough plot lines (David Beckham, Landon Donovan, 1950) to give David Mamet a migraine. But it's the Americans' other two adversaries -- Algeria and Slovenia -- that have U.S. fans feeling giddy. Algeria is regarded as the least powerful of the five African qualifiers (not including hosts South Africa). Slovenia are also deemed to be among the tournament's lesser lights.
    If this seems like the perfect recipe for overconfidence, well, it is, although everyone associated with the U.S. team seems to be giving the first-round opponents their due respect.
    "It's a draw that is good for us as far as draws go," said former U.S. national team assistant coach John Hackworth, who now holds the same post with MLS side Philadelphia Union. "But I've been through enough of them, particularly on youth level, to know that sometimes it's very deceptive in terms of people's perception of how good a team is based on whether they are a power or what their ranking is."


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    Added U.S. attacker Landon Donovan during Friday's conference call, "I certainly don't overlook [Algeria and Slovenia]. I know on paper it seems like a better draw than we had last time but that all goes out the window when the games start."
    While the U.S. deserves its label as favorites to progress, the Americans' group is one with some considerable landmines, especially when the styles of the respective teams are examined. England showed in 2008 the gulf in class that exists when the English easily dispatched the Americans 2-0. The U.S. has made considerable progress since then, especially when its run to the final of the 2009 Confederations Cup is taken into account. But at this stage, the only possible positional advantage the U.S. has is in goal with Tim Howard. And the edge England has over the Americans in terms of its ability to keep possession is still considerable, especially when names like Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard are factored in.
    That makes it likely that the U.S. will be staring up at the rest of the group following its opening game. Yet Hackworth believes the U.S. is strong enough mentally to absorb such a blow.
    "When you can get off to a good start, it builds a ton of confidence in your team," Hackworth said. "In this case though, and knowing Bob [Bradley] and the way he will approach that game with the team and the staff, they'll go in being a little bit realistic. If they can go in and get a result, great, if not, they're playing to get out of the group.



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    "Certainly our experience in the Confederations Cup is going to come into play in a huge way when we go into group play in the World Cup. Losing the first two games and getting out of the group at the Confederations Cup, that was a huge lesson for the players and for our staff."
    That know-how will be put to the test six days later against a Slovenia side that poses a different set of problems for the Americans. While Matjaz Kek's team clearly lacks England's quality, it is one that is highly organized, and extremely difficult to break down, as evidenced by the fact it conceded just four goals in its group qualifying matches. And much like the Slovakia side that defeated the U.S. 1-0 in a friendly last month, it'll be perfectly content to soak up pressure and nail the Americans on the break.
    Of course, the U.S. established its own potency on the counterattack at the Confederations Cup, although the injuries sustained by forward Charlie Davies in an October car accident make the Americans less effective in that regard. But it raises the question of which team will opt to carry the play.
    "It's more of a tactical game because in order to play [a counterattacking style] the opponent has to come out a little bit, whether that's through one of their own counterattacks or by them having the ball a little bit, getting downfield and bringing some of their numbers forward," Hackworth said. "That's not going to be easy, but at the same time I've always felt like we're not just a counterattacking team. I think we've been a team in CONCACAF where we had to go out and play against teams that sat in and looked for restart opportunities and counterattacks. We've been exposed to a lot of that in some pretty big games."
    If the U.S. does decide to take the initiative in attack, it'll need to stay disciplined, and be especially mindful of Slovenia's frontline duo of Milivoje Novakovic and Zlatko Dedic, both of whom are veterans of the German Bundesliga with Cologne and Bochum, respectively. West Bromwich Albion midfielder Robert Koren remains the twosome's primary supplier, and limiting his influence could do much to disrupt the Slovenians' game.
    But summoning the creativity needed to break down Slovenia's defense will likely prove the biggest challenge. And while the pedigree of their back line doesn't quite match that of their forwards, the collective efforts of Grenoble's Bostjan Cesar and Gent's Marko Suler, among others, is clearly greater than the sum of its parts.



    The Americans' group finale will take place in Pretoria on June 23 against Algeria. The U.S. will likely progress only as far as its midfield allows, and this just so happens to be the area where the Desert Foxes are strongest. Many of the players in Algeria's midfield ply their trade in Europe's top leagues, with Wolfsburg's Karim Ziani, Borussia Monchengladbach's Karim Matmour, and Lazio's Mourad Meghni among them.
    Such strength has led manager Rabah Saadane to employ a 3-5-2, although it will be interesting to see how a pacy player like Donovan will be able to exploit the inevitable gaps that appear out wide in such a system.
    But after enduring a qualifying campaign fraught with tension, one that included an attack on the team bus by Egyptian supporters, it's clear that Algeria has the mental for ude to make some noise in the tournament.
    That said, the Americans will be expecting that by the time the third game rolls around, their fate will be entirely in their hands. At which point they could -- and should -- be able to step safely into the second round.





    Jeff Carlisle covers MLS and the U.S. national team for ESPNsoccernet. He also writes for Center Line soccer and can be reached at [email protected].

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    Of course I'm pulling for Spain, but would be a cool deal if the US found a way to win the tournament. Or somebody like the Dutch or Mexico in a shocker.

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    Of course I'm pulling for Spain, but would be a cool deal if the US found a way to win the tournament. Or somebody like the Dutch or Mexico in a shocker.
    ima call it

    spain and netherlands will advance to the knockout stages but till choke in those stages...

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    I dont think Portugal makes it out of the group. Brazil and Ivory Coast IMO... Portugal just dont have anything other than Ronaldo that scares anyone. Simao? Deco?... i dont think they will be a threat.

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    I dont think Portugal makes it out of the group. Brazil and Ivory Coast IMO... Portugal just dont have anything other than Ronaldo that scares anyone. Simao? Deco?... i dont think they will be a threat.
    +1

    Even Ronaldo chokes with Portugal

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    Man, the arrogant UK press

    England
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    Yanks


    And I also found this:

    Although Algeria's English-based contingent of Nadir Belhadj, Kamil Ghilas, Hassan Yebda and Hameur Bouazza will be looking forward to the England clash more than any other, Rangers defender Madjid Bougherra is relishing coming up against his club team-mates when his country face the USA.

    He told L'Equipe: "It is an exciting draw. I am very happy to play England, a great team. I am above all delighted to play USA, I was dreaming about it.

    At Rangers, I am playing with two US players, Maurice Edu and DaMarus Beasley. We have never stopped teasing ourselves for a few days."
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    Man, the arrogant UK press

    England
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    Yeah they should take it easy. They haven't done squat since 1966, where they picked up all that bad karma leading up to the Hand of God.

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    Yeah they should take it easy. They haven't done squat since 1966, where they picked up all that bad karma leading up to the Hand of God.
    Plus, in the 1966 championship game, the GWG wasn't a goal; it never crossed the line

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    England's gonna be shocked when US wins the group and they're fighting just to advance.

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    England's gonna be shocked when US wins the group and they're fighting just to advance.
    Ok, I know they are arrogant, but don't be ridiculous

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    Yeah, Whiskey, don't let them be arrogant. It's not like you are or anything.

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    Do any US people remember Iran? You know, the team that beat us and now has the day as a national holiday? You can't overlook anybody.

    For the US, Beasley is my key. He can play physical enough to breach teams with a tough defense, like Slovenia.

    I can't ing wait for the summer. USA!!!!

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    Lol, the pommie wankers are notorious chokers no matter how arrogant they are. They'll be fighting for 2nd in group.

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    England won't go far as usual. They have the best league but the elite teams don't have enough english players. They lack talent compared to other teams.

    And Lampard and Gerrard are great players but they don't play well together.

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    England won't go far as usual. They have the best league but the elite teams don't have enough english players. They lack talent compared to other teams.

    And Lampard and Gerrard are great players but they don't play well together.
    If the English play well in the middle they will dominate the group. However, that is a very big "if"

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    Let me pose this question to my international friends. Which Country has the most pressure to perform come WC time every four years?

    As an American, it would seem to me that England and Brazil are at the top. It would also seem to me that the English wilt under that pressure every four years.

    ???????

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    England won't go far as usual. They have the best league but the elite teams don't have enough english players. They lack talent compared to other teams.

    And Lampard and Gerrard are great players but they don't play well together.
    They don't have the best league

    And they have the worst goalies

    I mean you shoot, you score, it's like FIFA 95

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    They don't have the best league

    And they have the worst goalies

    I mean you shoot, you score, it's like FIFA 95
    I think it's fair to say they have the most talent in their league than anywhere else, no? It's also a different style from league to league. Barclay's is certainly an offensive type league, as opposed to serie A, which is more defensive minded.

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    Premier League does have the most talent. It has little to do with English players, though.

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    Premier League does have the most talent. It has little to do with English players, though.
    Very true. With some teams it seems like you have to search for an actual British player.

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    England won't go far as usual. They have the best league but the elite teams don't have enough english players. They lack talent compared to other teams.
    To me, England's problem at recent tournaments has been that they haven't been able to form a true team out of the many gifted individual players they have. Since Capello took over, however, that has gotten better, and they have also played better tactically.

    Very true. With some teams it seems like you have to search for an actual British player.
    This might be true for Arsenal (and it seems to be changing a little bit, with the likes of Walcott, Gibbs, Ramsey and Wilshere all about to become a bigger part of the team), but if you look at the other Top Four teams, there are always British players amongst the most important ones for their respective teams: Rooney, R. Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry - to name just a few.

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    This might be true for Arsenal (and it seems to be changing a little bit, with the likes of Walcott, Gibbs, Ramsey and Wilshere all about to become a bigger part of the team), but if you look at the other Top Four teams, there are always British players amongst the most important ones for their respective teams: Rooney, R. Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry - to name just a few.
    This is true for other Big Clubs as well. Chelsea, for instance, has only 4 English regulars (Terry, the Coles and Lampard). Liverpool the same. ManU however has always had a heavy English influence, though.

    I just point this out because for the past years it's been a talking point amongst analysts that the Premier League is the strongest, due to success in the CL (3 of 4 teams in semi-finals past 3 years). I agree they're the strongest, but it's very important to note that they attract excellent international talent as well.

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    I agree they're the strongest, but it's very important to note that they attract excellent international talent as well.
    Of course that's true, and I fully agree on that one.

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    England will suck like they are used to at big tournaments over the recent years. Spain usually do not so well, but I dont know, they were great when they won the European Championship, but still I dont think they'll get far.

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