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America is too lazy to fight just about everything but I believe the proverbial line in the sand would be a draft. No way. Never again.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_398133.html
Iran invaded Iraq.
Who's ready for the draft?
America is too lazy to fight just about everything but I believe the proverbial line in the sand would be a draft. No way. Never again.
they're both wrong. it's OUR oil.
I read in the article yesterday that this happens all the time. Since the northern border doesn't have an exact line, both sides do this. There are tribes there that for thousands of years consider themselves a citizen of the other country.
Reading your own article:
How could this become ww3? what scenerio are you imagining?BAGHDAD — Iraqi troops massed Saturday near an oil well on the border in a standoff with Iranian forces that seized control of the site in a sudden flare up of tension between the two uneasy neighbors.
The top U.S. diplomat in Iraq said Baghdad's speedy response to the border incursion showed that Iraq is "not going to be pushed around" by Iran.
The Iraqi troops and border guards were waiting for further orders at a staging ground about a kilometer from oil well No. 4 at the al-Fakkah oil field, said an Interior Ministry official at the site who was not authorized to talk to the media.
The Iranian military, meanwhile, denied they had violated Iraq's sovereignty since the oil well was part of Iranian territory according to a 1975 border agreement, in a statement carried by the Arabic language Iranian news station al-Alam.
The field is located about 200 miles (about 320 kilometers) southeast of Baghdad.
It was not clear, however, whether the Iranian forces who seized the well late Thursday night were still there.
The diplomatic and security standoff began late Thursday, when Iranian forces crossed into Iraq and seized the well that sits just over the border in the southern Maysan province. It was a dramatic display of the occasionally tense relations between the wary neighbors.
The takeover – which included planting an Iranian flag on the well – was met by protests from Baghdad and an emergency meeting of Iraq's national security council that denounced it as a gross violation of Iraqi sovereignty.
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Iraqi officials said the well was clearly in Iraqi territory and demanded that the Iranians leave immediately. High-level diplomatic talks between Iraq and Iran are continuing, said Iraqi deputy foreign minister Labid Abbawi.
"The situation this morning is the same: the Iranians have not withdrawn from the well," Abbawi told The Associated Press. "We are still sticking to our position in demanding an immediate withdrawal of Iranian forces from the oil well."
Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Rahmin Mehmanparast accused foreign media of spreading false news to "disrupt good relations" between Tehran and Baghdad.
"Diplomatic and technical mechanisms" were the way to deal with the issue, said Hasan Kazemi Qomi, the ambassador to Iraq, according to the semiofficial Fars news agency.
Army Gen. Ray Odierno, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, told reporters that the Iranian forces had withdrawn from the oil well as of Saturday morning. But an oil worker at the field said five Iranians remain inside the well, and the Iranian flag still flew above it.
The worker, who did not want to be identified for fear of retribution, said Iranian troops were watching the well from a hillside on Iran's side of the border.
It was not clear as well what kind of Iranian forces had been at the well. An Iraqi official and an eyewitness described them as soldiers. The Iraqi government spokesman described them only as armed men.
U.S. officials said Iran had overstepped its boundaries.
Adm. Mike Mullen, the top American military official, said the U.S. considers the oil site Iraqi sovereign territory.
Christopher Hill, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, said the incident does speak to the overall view here that they are not going to be "pushed around by Iran."
However, Mullen said the incident must be resolved by the Iraqi government, and there were no plans by the United States to intervene.
Once bitter enemies, Iraq and Iran settled into a more positive, if still uneasy, relationship after a Shiite-led government came to power following the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
"I continue to worry about the influence of Iran," Mullen, in Iraq for a two-day visit with U.S. and Iraqi authorities, said at a news conference in Baghdad. "I still think it's important that Iran have a constructive, positive influence in this region and globally. And there are just too many examples where that is not the case."
Odierno also said Iran continues to fund and train fighters in Iraq, as well as send weapons and equipment over the border – although less frequently now than in the past.
Analysts said it was too early to say whether the incident would mushroom into greater tension but said it could raise concerns with oil companies looking to invest in Iraq.
Oil prices rose slightly after news of the incident.
Iraq can't even handle its own internal security, much less be a threat to Iran....Iran isn't going to instigate a war with Iraq and possibly the U.S. by 'invading Iraq'...
And yet they did.
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Just seeing what they can get away with. Not the first example of this.
Thankfully we have a dove of some stripe, or a dove in hawk's feathers, in the big chair.
This might've served as enough justification for yet another liberation of a ME country to spread Wilsonianism.
I was surprised the Shatt al-Arab incident in 07 didn't cause one. That had Tonkin written all over it.
dude that's so true. as a vet, i was the odd one that didn't agree w/the war, but after we were there everytime i would drive off post, i would see the gas price signs and think "well if i'm gonna lose a few friends, and possibly myself, why the am i still paying this much for gas?" whatever happened to the victor the spoils?
and i'm sure there was no real agreeable line between germany and poland, right?
yea, if mccain would have won, we probably would have already been bombing iran.
Or at least Israel would have...plus, we would be in the exact same position in Afghanistan and Iraq...yea, if mccain would have won, we probably would have already been bombing iran.
mccain is not about the bombs its about troops. there would have been a draft. either everyone would have gone to war or there would have been a coup.
GTFO and let them sort it out.
yeah, that's not gonna happen....
No those were pretty agreed upon and understood boundaries. They were apart of their govt. These almost nomadic tribes don't really have an allegience. Maybe you remark could work well with the Rhineland but I bet you were just trying to be an ass so it really doesn't matter anyway.
Actually, American companies are complaining like they're on the sidelines while the Italians (most recently, I think) and the Chinese land big development deals.
Didn't T. Boone Pickens gripe about this recently?
Ah, here it is:
http://in.reuters.com/article/oilRpt...49238420091021
they made 43 bil in profits and paid 36 bil in taxes.
No problem that's why we have Backwater.
France, Russia, and China were getting all the big oil negotiations from Saddam, excluding former colonialist UK and war enemy US, which made him a "bad man" so US and UK invaded to grab the oil.
Russia, China, France are still getting good oil contracts in Iraq.
"why the am i still paying this much for gas"
Why the did you ever think the US oilcos would give the US taxpayers a break for handing the oilcos access to Iraqi oil?
And Wall St traders will keep the price of oil wherever they want it, up, down, going up or going down, to over everybody. That's how the free market works. Everybody try to everybody. The information asymmetry (information is power, and there's nothing better than secret information, and secret trading) assures the ers will keep ing the ees indefinitely, esp behind the protection by Congressional s.
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if suddamn was still alive, he wouldve gas that whole area.... friends and foes...
Looks like Bush will will be remembered after all.
The one linked to drudge on Friday was quite comical.
Basically they play a cute flag game.
Odd or not:
Saddam did not use chemical WMDs on coalition forces in 2003.
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