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The standings disagree with you.
So does the MVP race.
Yeah, and Matt Bonner is a C. Stop hiding behind semantics.
The standings disagree with you.
So does the MVP race.
How is it an "obvious" joke when there are Spurs fans that really and truly have that opinion? Seemed like you were one of them.
Well I'm not.
Duncan's a PF you in tools
Dirk is the best god damn PF in the NBA right now, it ain't even a debate. Look at the +/- numbers for the last few years, Duncan's impact on the game has declined dramatically even though his surface numbers (20/10/3/etc) are still very good. Meanwhile, Dirk has amazing +/- numbers over the last few years indicating he's still in his prime, Duncan isn't.
The man just doesn't impact games anymore... back in the day I'd be scared going up against the Spurs, cause of Duncan... but now the man just doesn't strike fear into my heart... I have confidence knowing we have Dirk, and they have Duncan, and Dirk is more likely to take over a game than Duncan, as was evident in the OT when Duncan missed a baby shot, was defended excellently by Dirk, and Dirk made huge shot after huge shot down the stretch.
Someone said Dirk has below average rebounding/assist numbers... is 2.7 assists really terrible for a non-guard? his defensive boardwork is good too obv due to his style he cannot rack up offensive boards... and the man's averaging 11 boards per contest in the playoffs... if he wanted to he could probably average 1-2 more rebounds in the reg season.
Also, his efficiency... Dirk averages less turnovers than Duncan despite playing 6 more minutes.
God bless the best PF in the universe.
This is the biggest difference between them. How many games has Duncan taken over this year?
We know. Antonio McDyess and Matt Bonner are the Spurs two big, bruising centers who play down low on the block and anchor the defense.
I dunno if it was this thread but I noticed some bag say that Dirk plays more minutes because the Mavs want a high seed whereas the spurs have to pace DUncan because they view themselves as a le contender? Give me a ing break... Kobe/Gasol play high # of minutes too, arent the Lakers a le contender?
Its called durability... Duncan can't take 38+ minutes a game because he's worn down, Dirk can... and its a positive trait to have in basketball.
Throw the positions out the window. Just argue who is the better player. That is the real issue, not the position someone plays.
Going by that, it is a tough one. I honestly don't know who I would take right now (meaning choosing who is playing better), but Dirk has a better chance to sustain or elevate his play over the course of the season. Having said that, I think if you switch Dirk and Duncan, the Mavs are better and the Spurs are worse.
Based off what?
Based off of plenty of things. Duncan is still a very effective offensive player. He would still have Kidd to spot up and shoot 3's (which Parker does not), Howard to slash and hit 3's (like Gino), Marion (RJ type slasher) and then Dampier + Duncan would make the Mavs one of the best if not the best defensive rebounding teams in the league and their defense would improve.
Dirk on the Spurs would fit well offensively for sure, but the Spurs don't need that slight boost in scoring and it would take away the Spurs only effective low post back to the basket scorer. Their rebounding and defense would suffer more than it already is and it would be a net loss. Just my opinion.
wrong.
Both teams would probably be worse.
Mavs would be below the Spurs in the standings
Why do you say that? What is your reasoning?
good take.
I think the Spurs would be better with Dirk right now. Even with , the Spurs still stutter on offense Parker hasn't been great either. Dirk's scoring is on another level right now, and would end the Spurs scoring droughts. The rebounding wouldn't suffer at all. Dirk's at 8 rebs. game now, due to having so many good rebounders playing around him. Kidd, Marion, Gooden, Damp - all great rebounders.
We rely on Dirk for almost all our half-court scoring. Whether its actually him shooting it or drawing the attention of the defense. Timmy doesnt demand the attention on offense that dirk does.
Plus I think Dirk fits in better with Kidd and Ricks system and Pop's s
system is built around Duncan. The Mavs are based on running with Kidd quarterbacking and Josh, Marion and Terry on the wings. One of our signature fast break plays is Dirk either streaking down the lane at the last second and Kidd hitting him in-stride or Dirk trailing the fastbreak and Kidd hitting him with a no-look pass for the three. Both of these things Duncan can't do.
Its impossible to know for sure obviously, and just imagining Dirk in a Spur uniform makes be shiver.
Duncan is having a better year than I ever imagined, so the gap between Dirk and Duncan isn't as big as I thought, but its there. Dirk showed it last time they met.
Based off defense...based off leadership. Tim is a leader for the Spurs, and Dirk doesn't have as much of a leadership role. If the Spurs would lose Tim on defense, they wouldn't be as good, even with the spark of Dirk on offense, even though 6 PPG isn't that much more.
The it isn't.
The Spurs would not score 6 PPG more with Dirk than Duncan. I think he meant Dirk would average 6 PPG more than Duncan, but all that means is someone else would average less. I think the Spurs scoring would go up, but certainly not by 6 ppg.
Than I guess Carl Landry isnt that much worse on offense than Brandon Roy?
Yep Spurs fans. You're really objective. Keep telling yourselves that.
You're foolish in general if you think Mavs or Spurs fans are going to be objective in this debate. JamStone had some good thoughts.
I think it is ghey that certain fans cry foul when a fan for another team says anything even if it was well thought out. Pulling that card is just as bad as pulling the ring card.
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