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there's no proof that it's because of the smoking ban.
why do you want to go this route again? you already lost once with it.
I'm pretty indifferent about it.I notice all these armchair quarterbacks when it comes to pot. everyone wants it to be legal but no one really wants to be the first to go out there and do something about it, maybe ruin their reputations or give others a wrong impression. It's hard to publicly support weed without the dirty looks from the tax paying law abiding citizen,
It reminds me of dodge ball back in the 70s everyone wants to play but no one wants to be the first to go out there and grab a ball
there's no proof that it's because of the smoking ban.
why do you want to go this route again? you already lost once with it.
Of course it was because of the smoking ban, why the do you think it had to be an enforced ban?
If smoking wasn't popular in bars and good for business, the bars wouldn't have allowed it in the first place.
If someone wants to have their bar be a smoking bar they should be allowed to do so. No one forces the non-smokers to go into a smoking bar. It's the non-smokers that force the smokers to go into non-smoking bars by refusing to allow smoking bars.
If not smoking in bars is so ing popular, then how come they had to ban smoking?
ing Nazis.
because some bar owners and other ignorant people like yourself would rather blame the smoking ban than other economic factors for the bar closing.
Smoking was allowed everywhere in the not so distant past and restaurant owners used to make the same claims of losing business that bar owners like this are.If smoking wasn't popular in bars and good for business, the bars wouldn't have allowed it in the first place.
If second hand smoke wasn't considered to be a health hazard, there would not be much of a good reason to ban it.
I myself don't have a problem with smoking bars such as cigar bars even though they are being hit with smoking bans as well in places up north.If someone wants to have their bar be a smoking bar they should be allowed to do so. No one forces the non-smokers to go into a smoking bar. It's the non-smokers that force the smokers to go into non-smoking bars by refusing to allow smoking bars.
I think most normal reasoning people have a problem with second hand smoke in pool halls, bowling alleys and sports bars where smoking was allowed because it was legal and because of indifference by the owner.
Because second hand smoke has been deemed a health hazard by the surgeon general of the US.If not smoking in bars is so ing popular, then how come they had to ban smoking?
Some clueless bar owners and other ignorants like yourself still seem to unaware of this.
I honestly hope you try to throw out some benefits of inhaling second hand smoke......since you have made it clear how good you think first hand smoking is for you.
ing selfish non-smokers that want cleaner air to breathe.ing Nazis.
ing ignorant Nazi non-smokers, too ing stupid to...
A. not go in a restaurant in which smoking is allowed.
B. start a non-smoking restaurant of their own free will to cater to co-depenent non-smokers like yourself.
I pay the price because you are too ing stupid to not go into a smoking bar, or start a non-smoking restaurant or bar.
Why do you suppose restaurant owners and bar owners are indifferent? Surely there are some non-smokers with that same re ed sense of personal liberty, that is actually extreme co-dependence of an extremly pussy degree, that see the potential for capturing a non-smoking clientele....I mean surely all co-dependent non-smokers aren't too stupid to open a non-smoking restaurant without a government mandate?
I guess they are...otherwise the ban wouldn't be needed.
Any society that caters to it's stupidest most helpless, co-dependent and clueless segment is one that is going in the wrong direction.
Luckily for me, many bars completely on that non-smoking ordinance. The ones with good business in fact.
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Now that second hand smoke is seen as a hazard to most everyone but you, it has gone beyond the rights of what someone such as an average restaurant owner should be able to allow.ing ignorant Nazi non-smokers, too ing stupid to...
A. not go in a restaurant in which smoking is allowed.
B. start a non-smoking restaurant of their own free will to cater to co-depenent non-smokers like yourself.
I pay the price because you are too ing stupid to not go into a smoking bar, or start a non-smoking restaurant or bar.
Why do you suppose restaurant owners and bar owners are indifferent? Surely there are some non-smokers with that same re ed sense of personal liberty, that is actually extreme co-dependence of an extremly pussy degree, that see the potential for capturing a non-smoking clientele....I mean surely all co-dependent non-smokers aren't too stupid to open a non-smoking restaurant without a government mandate?
I guess they are...otherwise the ban wouldn't be needed.
Any society that caters to it's stupidest most helpless, co-dependent and clueless segment is one that is going in the wrong direction.
Luckily for me, many bars completely on that non-smoking ordinance. The ones with good business in fact.
Bull ...don't go in the ing restaurant if you don't want to be around smoke.
You know what? You getting a car and drving it pollutes the air hypocrite. It's not necessary, you need to buy an electric car. And I don't give a about the economics of it...much like you do not give a about the economic of it for restaurant and bar owners.
IF you drive a car, you are polluting the air of those that don't.
Walk the walk .
Full of ...Nazi.
I don't understand why it isn't treated like any other drug. All drugs are addictive, to some extent. It is how they are used that determine their health benefits, and a Doctor should be the one making those decisions, not some politician.
Same as the logic behind the trans fat ban in NYC. Shouldn't your morning McD's be outlawed using the same reasoning, Blake?
I would love to see what would happen if NY banned saturated fat. The city would starve...
bull ...second hand smoke is a health hazard.
I'd rather just slap you in the face in the restaurant when you pull out your stogee. If you don't want to be around second hand face slapping, don't go in the ing restaurant.
electric cars being greener than gas cars is debatable, but that's besides the point.You know what? You getting a car and drving it pollutes the air hypocrite. It's not necessary, you need to buy an electric car. And I don't give a about the economics of it...much like you do not give a about the economic of it for restaurant and bar owners.
IF you drive a car, you are polluting the air of those that don't.
Walk the walk .
Full of ...Nazi.
I'm with you on how driving a car pollutes the air. I wish I could get around it on my own and make the world a greener place.
Hopefully one day the government puts a ban on driving polluting cars so we can all walk your walk.
Until then kicking you and your smoking ass outside is a decent start.
....and for the record, the economics have been just fine for restaurant and bar owners after smoking bans have been implemented.
you think I should get a prescription for my Tecate or my Patron too?
Last time I checked, Alcoholic Beverages are regulated in the US, not forbidden, just regulated. And yes, I think there are those that should be prescribed alcohol, particularly those with high cholesterol and people at risk of heart disease should get some red-wine in their systems, about 1 serving a day.
It shouldn't be abused, addiction is a real problem. But to make it illegal outright just creates more problems.
i have an idea
restaurants and bars for smokers that want to smoke and for people who dont care about smoke
restaurants and bars for non smokers who dont want second hand smoke
two mutually exclusive groups - why should one be universally catered to and the other banned?
It has to do with the cooks/waiters/workers working there, not the patrons or the owner. Selfishly, I am happy that smoking has been banned from restaurants in MI, and according to some owners, it will be good simply because it levels the playing field between what were once smoking/non-smoking establishments (Chris C ios himself, owner of C i's Chilly, was pushing for this). However, I theologically dislike this law because it infringes on the property rights of the owner. Despite my loathing of smoking and my belief in 'workers' rights' I can't in good conscience justify removal of the rights of the owners.
honestly, I just know a surface amount of the problems with trans fat. Has it been considered a poison yet?
Of course, if I sit in a McD's, I can eat a salad and drink water and not worry about someone else's second hand trans fat.
ah ......you're talking about the OP.
I thought we were all moved on to tobacky.
It's illegal for any restaurant to serve food containing trans fats in NYC. I don't think they're considered a poison.
You could, but you don't. I do see your point though.Of course, if I sit in a McD's, I can eat a salad and drink water and not worry about someone else's second hand trans fat.
when there were no smoking bans, I don't recall any smoke free restaurants. I guess there might have been one or two.
Lol, I gathered that. But my point is consistent throughout. I don't like the inconsistencies between tobacco and marijuana. Both are have pros and cons, and a person should have the option to take each per their own needs.
Ahh but you see, that's not your restaurant. It's someone else. Someone else that when given his own choice, chose to let me smoke..
Someone that is clearly telling you, hey? You don't like my place?
Go somewhere ing else.
You ing Nazi.
It's not your ing restaurant do you get that?
You do not have right to go in there and dictate what the owners can and cannot do.
It's not your business, you did not start it, you did not pay for it, you do not own it. You are not responsible for makiing it successful, if it fails, you will not be the one who suffers from it.
You do not have to go in there and eat. No one is making you do it.
Ride a ing bike then.electric cars being greener than gas cars is debatable, but that's besides the point.
Leave for work earlier.
Don't work far away from your house.
IOW why don't you change your own life before you go around changing eveyrone else you stupid ing piece of .
And why do you need the government to do it for you? Dumbass.
It's not your ing restaurant/bar ...do you ing understand thaT?
Don't insult me by telling me you are with me on anything. You are not with me on anything.I'm with you on how driving a car pollutes the air. I wish I could get around it on my own and make the world a greener place.
You understand nothing about individual rights, you are a fascist Nazi and I most certainly am not.
Hopefully, we'll outlaw stupid people, the true hazard to everyone's health.Hopefully one day the government puts a ban on driving polluting cars so we can all walk your walk.
Drinking alcohol is a health hazzard, why don't we just outlaw bars hypocrite?
Being a ing lardass is a burden on the taxpayer and health hazard?
Why don't we just outlaw being a lardass?
People having too many kids is a burden on the taxpayer? Why don't we just outlaw having too many kids?
Until then kicking you and your smoking ass outside is a decent start.
....and for the record, the economics have been just fine for restaurant and bar owners after smoking bans have been implemented.
The non-dumbass FAIR solution is to let bars and resturants choose to be either smoking or non-smoking.
You and your anti-American Nazi ing ilk are too stupiid to realize that.
You and your Nazi iong ilk are too ing stupid to even see the economic potential over the choice.
You're just a ing Nazi, who doesn't give a about individual rights. You are the one imposing on others.
We had more than a few here in Austin.
It seemed that way, but isn't that the fault of the restaurants themselves for not having the guts to advertise a family friendly non-smoking environment? A smart Restaurantor would have made that a selling point.
Has it been considered a poison by any doctor or scientist of note?
I do try to watch for it and avoid it if possible.You could, but you don't. I do see your point though.
They are obviously too stupid to do that. The non-smokers I mean.
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