I'm not tackerexactly lol
enough of this b.s. argument on whos better. i say we use this to try and figure out how tacker got his name colored with only 30 posts
I don't think XFactor is tacker. Kori pretty much stated that she banned all of Tacker's accounts, so I don't think he is Tacker until we can uncover some evidence, he is still su ious though. With that said, I want my name colored black....exactly lol
enough of this b.s. argument on whos better. i say we use this to try and figure out how tacker got his name colored with only 30 posts
ok this has me laughing
Now onto Harris and Kidd, enough about them, both can help ad team better then you. This debate between them needs to be put to rest. The trade happened a heck a long time ago, can't change that.
I'd rather have Brook Lopez then either Harris or Kidd. Harris isn't as good as Kidd and Kidd isn't as great as he use to be. So with that said glad the Nets have Harris, but we have Lopez as well so all well ends well. Harris might not be as good as Kidd, but he deff has the better center playing with him. Kidd has the guy I don't even remember.
but like I said this Harris and Kidd talk has gotten so old it isn't even funny, both are better players then everyone who talks about it.
difference is Kidd makes players better, Harris has a different game then that and the team Kidd help was older then the Nets are now, so big difference there
Hi Tacker
Harris: 39% from the floor, 21% from 3. Kidd: 41% from the floor, 39% from 3.
No he doesn't.Devin Harris plays very good man defense at his position
Kidd is still a very good team defender. He can't guard Chris Paul, but nobody can.whereas Kidd is so ing old and slow the Mavs start him at shooting guard
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Mavs are better and Dirk is better with Kidd. Harris would easily beat Kidd in a game of 1 on 1, but what does that matter in the context of an actual NBA game?
In what? Basketball-related matters?End of the day, Harris gets the last laugh.
Who will never sign with the NetsWhile his team is blatantly tanking for a top 5 pick and waiting for Lebron
What about them? They're late first-rounders because the Mavs win 50+ every year. If Dallas wants one so bad, they can easily afford to buy one for $3 million. You're just not very good at this, are you?Oh yeah and those two draft picks.
Dirk is better with Kidd, that's a suprise, guess he is like Kenyon Martin and Sean Williams, they were both better with Kidd as well. Kidd makes bad players look better, not saying Dirk is bad by bad players talking about Sean Williams and Kidd made him look good
Dirk won a MVP and went to the finals with Harris. Dirk first and 2nd round exit with Kidd. Your anecdotal argument doesn't work here.
We'll see.
Late 1st rounders are valuable picks if used right. And btw way, you do realize your team is starting a ing hobbit, right? You're just not very good at this, are you?
Career 45% shooter. You're using a 22 game stretch after he comes back from an injury to judge a 26 year old? Riiight. Kidd has what, 1-2 years left? You traded 3 young guys for the corpse of Jason Kidd. It got you nowhere. Just like the majority of Cuban-led moves.
Yes he does. And he plays it much better than Kidd at this point in his career.
His lateral quickness is all but gone. In a league full of quick point guards. On offense he's basically a spot up shooter with no mid-range.
Stack was a productive role on 06 championing campaign if not so good as the prime version, and suddenly started plummeting soon afterward.
I agree the GM is a re that never manages to turn his picks into somethings valuable, or even when he was gifted some decent picks like the 6th overall he would still try to seek a piece of crap like Podkolzin and would have gotten him but for Don's dissuasion.
Kenyon Martin was an all-star and widely considered one of the best two-way players with NJ (great defender, solid offensive player), his knees injuries slowed him down. Jefferson was a 20 ppg scorer and borderline all-star. He also had Mutombo there and the rest of them like Harris & Kittles were solid and capable role players. Plus the East was ridiculously weak during the time that they made two Finals appearances.
Cant believe your actually comparing Kidd's Nets to what Harris has now. Ridiculous. Harris is currently the better player btw, ing homers.
If you're kind enough to bring more details here about the Kidd-Harris trade, you're welcome to name the 3 young guys we traded to Jersey in exchange for Kidd. If memory serves the Mavs only patched 2 players of 2nd unit with Harris and get the package convected to Jason Kidd and Antonie Wright who later worked for a long while as our starting SG.
Indeed there wasn't any valuable stocks involved in that trade outside Kidd and Harris. and I don't think a deal sending Diop/Hassell for Wright was bad at all.
Wait a second, I thought that Dirk's MVP award was a fradulent joke? You spend all this time calling him out for not deserving that award, and then in attempt to suit another argument, you try to hold it up as something positive? For the record, he won that because he was the best player on the team that finished with the best-regular season record, and the sportswriters felt it was "his turn." Dirk wasn't the best player in the league in 2007. Furthermore, he's a better player now than he was in 2005-07. And a big part of that is having a point guard who can actually run an offense and get him the ball where he wants it.
As for team success, putting Harris in place of Kidd now doesn't make the Mavs better.
Yeah, we'll see him resign with Cleveland or go to the Knicks. Both the Nets and the Knicks are lousy and play in the greater NYC area, but the Knicks have a rich basketball heritage and play in Madison Square Garden. Bron will never sign with the Nets unless they are already in Brooklyn.We'll see.
Exactly, which is why Cuban can simply buy one if he feels he needs it.Late 1st rounders are valuable picks if used right.
Relevance to Kidd vs. Harris? Your takes are even worse than usual. Have you been drinking industrial runoff or something?And btw way, you do realize your team is starting a ing hobbit, right? You're just not very good at this, are you?
The book is out on Devin Harris. Pack the lane and he becomes a much more mortal player. Also the bolded part is a broken record. He's ALWAYS coming back from an injury. For the rest of Dirk's prime, I'll take 80 games of Kidd over 55 of Harris.
Probably, but Dirk is 31 and the trade was made for the rest of his prime.Kidd has what, 1-2 years left?
Harris, Diop and the rights to Ryan Anderson. Pardon me if I'm not losing sleep over it.You traded 3 young guys for the corpse of Jason Kidd.
Just ensured that Dirk will resign with us when his contract is up and kept us relevant.It got you nowhere.
He played good D under Avery, but that is something that has seriously slacked off in New Jersey. He can't guard Chris Paul any better than Kidd can. Kidd is still a better team defender.Yes he does. And he plays it much better than Kidd at this point in his career.
He's better than Devin Harris.His lateral quickness is all but gone. In a league full of quick point guards. On offense he's basically a spot up shooter with no mid-range.
Last edited by Findog; 01-06-2010 at 10:04 AM.
I think he's talking about Diop and the eventual draft rights to Ryan Anderson. The Mavs sure missed out on a chance to draft Anderson and start him alongside Dirk in a Twin Towers lineup. Eat your heart out, Duncan/Robinson, Hakeem/Sampson.
Dirk, Terry, Howard + Harris = NBA Finals
Dirk, Terry, Howard + Kidd = 2nd Round exit
/thread
In what? Playing cards? XBox? Not beating women?
Dirk, Terry, Howard + Harris = Greatest Upset of All Time
Dirk, Terry, Howard + Kidd = one of 8 teams left standing
/thread
I forgot, Spur fan thinks Diop is the second coming of Bill Russell and Harris is the next Oscar Robertson.
I also love the argument that Dallas getting to the Finals in 06 means they should've continued to roll with Harris in 09 and beyond. I guess you forget that the Mavs didn't want to continue to roll the dice on Harris being healthy in April and May, or that they were getting diminishing returns with that core.
I'm also pretty sure that Dirk, Terry, Howard + Kidd in 2006 = le and Dirk, Terry, Howard + Kidd in 2007 = beating the Warriors at least.
There were only five powerhouse teams in 2006 and only three in 2007. The Mavs won all those games in a different league.
Actually, if you're going to point out the worst of Harris with the Mavs, then you should point out the worst of Kidd with the Mavs: Quick 4-1 exit on the first round against Chris move and his thug band.
That's still better than losing to Golden State. The Mavs were in disarray under Avery. Funny how Kidd looked terrible and DONE that 1/2 season under Avery, but under Carlisle they actually won a series and he looks like somebody who has reinvented himself into a very good complementary player.
Yeah well, you're pretty sure of a lot of things, but when push comes to shove your team doesn't deliver. With Harris or Kidd. Which eventually will boil down to the 'star' of the team.
And BTW, if you don't want to keep on hearing '4 rings maggot', stop bringing the Spurs into your Mav threads.
Kidd is a good player. He's a shadow of his former self, but he's still a smart, savvy player, who still has something in the tank. From a health standpoint, I understand what you mean when you say you rather have him than Harris. From a talent standpoint right now and looking into the future, I don't think so.
Yes, it's always the fault of one player and one player alone.
Where did I do that? The Spurs fans were the ones to pop in here with their Harris > Kidd opinions. Which are wrong, and I've pointed out the reasons why. Feel free to disagree and challenge those assertions, but why the huwt fweewings?And BTW, if you don't want to keep on hearing '4 rings maggot', stop bringing the Spurs into your Mav threads.
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