Lebron is the best player of all-time
Funny how everyone keeps dodging this question.
Im not a fan of Kobe but lately I have been appreciating his game considering he probaly has a few more good years left on him. It would be a while before we see a player of Kobe's offensive repertoire.
Ok..Lets say Lebron gets his first ring with Kobes supporting cast? So what?...now both playes have a ring with the same supoortig cast. Its not like Kobe failed to get one and Lebron did.
i definately agree with you and with the MJ question. If Lebron is so much better than Kobe not based on championships...there is also a great chance that lebron is greater then MJ.Funny how everyone keeps dodging this question.
Im not a fan of Kobe but lately I have been appreciating his game considering he probaly has a few more good years left on him. It would be a while before we see a player of Kobe's offensive repertoire.
I think Jordan had better overall numbers than Kobe besides scoring.
Plus, Kobe was only the team MVP in one of those championships. If Lebron can win just one le, he will have matched Kobe in that accomplishment.
Still Kobe is an all-time great and the best scorer and clutch shooter in the game while Lebron may be the better all around player. No reason to deny Kobe of that.
Look i no longer argue the Kobe/Lebron stuff. Kobe is hurt and until Lebron wins a le ...all this other crap is irrelevant. Funny thing is many here said Kobe had to win one without shaq for consideration ....yet many on here do not have that same criteria for Lebron. Hypocrites.
But many on here are fans of teams that has not yet won ish ...so OF COURSE it DOES NOT matter ( les)so that they can argue their favorite player would win if on the Lakers, Celts or Spurs.
Truth of the matter is Duncan, Kobe, KG and Lebron (eventually) would of won les NO MATTER what team they were on ...the FO just has to be competent.
Lebron is the greatest athlete inthe NBA right now and a top 5 player without a doubt
BUT one could argue C3P, Dwight, Dirk, Pierce, Melo and Kobe are better "players" based on various arguments ....
Only loser fan bases crown someone the best without winning the le regardless of the sport. Arod, Pujols, Peyton, Crosby etc. were all great players BUT could NOT be the BEST until they won on the BIGEST stage ....
Was Elway a better athlete than joe montana? yes (IMHO) but he is not considered the GOAT Joe is by many. Did he have a great supporting cast? No doubt and I hathe the 49ers but until Elway back2back SB's he WAS the Lebron of NFL
A great QB's amazing player, spectacular highlights great in the playoffs until the final game but could not win the big one ...
If Lebron wins at least 2 les i will be the first to come on here and say now he can be considered the best. I would do it at one ...but Wade would deserve consideration as well. But if he wins this year he gets the nod over kobe as the best player but would need 2 cement it ...
As for Reggie much like his career (though a great player) is a flopper ... he think the Lakers have all-world talent ...that is why he made those crazy predictions about our record to start the season. He has no rings so of course he is ready to crown someone who has not won yet ... his opinion (though Im a bruin alumni) is about as valuable as Bill Walton's ...
He's not so much better than Kobe or Mj. Nor Magic.
And Lebron hasn't accomplished to deserve that claim either.
Lakers fans already know that MJ > Kobe. The question is if Lebron > MJ sans championships. Seems like it based on the same arguements Lebron fans give vs Kobe.
So tell me. Do you think a prime Michael Jordan can lead this same Cavaliers into the Finals much more win an NBA le? Mind you, MJ's Pippen in this instance would be undeniably Mo Williams.
I agree with Miller here fellas, but dont give me any double standards. If you agree that Lebron also>Jordan then Id call it a day and wont argue any longer.
MJ > Lebron sans championships.
Honestly, who did Jordan really ever play with? Pippen?
dont forget MJ would try to lead the cavs to a ring without Phil Jackson.
Really..are you saying that the Bulls teams were crap?!
and who did Kobe have in 2008. Gasol? Or is Odom, Fisher, Bynum and Ariza crazy all star/ hall of famers now?!
Absolutely MJ could. In his prime, you mean before he played baseball, and that MJ could everything. Not only athletically, put scoring, defending, passing. MJ basically carried his team to 3 championships in what was a much tougher Eastern conference back then. He could easily carry the Cavs this day & age.
That's not even possible. Lebron is already owning Jordan in advance statistics and raw numbers sans championship.
For the record i love Lebron's game. His size,speed power and ball handling is all top notch!
what I dont like: the Finals sweep, Pierce outplaying him down the stretch in ECF, the 4 down Lebron offense for entire games during the loss to the Magic last year and down the stretch this year ...when kobe does that many here criticize Kobe (and I agree) but do the same with Lebron.
you're right...MJ is God and can carry any team including this years Timberwolves.
Jordan only played with one possible Hall of Famer in Pippen. Horace Grant was a good PF, but not a great PF. Gasol > Grant.
Plus, the league is more diluted now than it was back in those days. Guys were seasoned coming out of college, less teams, etc.
here's my point (i htink me and RSX are on the same boat).
If Lebron > Kobe sans championships, then Lebron > MJ sans championships.
Lebron > MJ > Kobe
I won't dodge it ...without a le no he is not.Funny how everyone keeps dodging this question.
Im not a fan of Kobe but lately I have been appreciating his game considering he probaly has a few more good years left on him. It would be a while before we see a player of Kobe's offensive repertoire.
But if you re asking if MJ BEFORE he won if he was better player than Lebron i would still argue yes because the league was WAYYY stronger when MJ was trying to get his first no way MJ could of just willed himself to a Finals because the Celts and pistons wouldnt allow it ...
that said I think Lebron has THE POTENTIAL to be greater tha Kobe and MJ he just has to realize that potential ...
Is Gasol a Hall of Famer?
My point is you are so trying to nit-pick and reach for ways to say that MJ>Lebron but wont use the same arguments for Kobe.
This Cavs team isn't all that bad. Besides Pippen, how much worse are the Cavs than the first 3 championships the Bulls won?
Cartwright, Grant, Paxon, B.J Armstrong, Stacey King, Scott Williams
LOL I think MJ with Cavs cast would be slightly better ...but would not win a le ... MJ with Phil Gasol and artest would win a le but remember the "young" MJ would of ripped Gasol a new one if he played like he did against Cleveland MJ despised euros ...for being soft.
No way. Jordan would never survive the much more talented Orlando and healthy Boston Celtics. The Cavs will be overwhelmed like no other.
A cast of Jordan,Mo Williams,Delonte West,JJ Hickson, and an aging Shaq under the guidance of Mike Brown are going to get eaten alive. What makes Lebron unique is his extraordinary combination of speed, explosiveness with a freakish athleticism.
Jordan does not have any of those despite being a much complete player than Lebron. MJ would be similar to Dwyane Wade if anything. And We all know Bron is a better player than Wade, healthy or not.
but according the Kobe haters...ripping teammates is a bad thing and you have to lead a team by taking fake pictures and dancing on the sidelines.
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