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    miamiheat thinks Bynum, Gasol, Ariza, Artest and Fisher are Top 50 players.
    Pippen isn't a top 50 player anymore and even at the time it was questionable. He was the true definition of a jock strap.

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    I don't think that team would have gotten out of the first round in the West.

    According to Hollinger's PER rating, Jordan had 4 out of the highest 5 PER ratings of all all-time with PERs in the 31s, so statistically he matches up well with Lebron.
    and the Spurs practically proved it with a sweep.

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    Jordan ripped teammates all the time. Even punched Steve Kerr once. He was much more demanding than Kobe.

    Also, Lebron uses steroids
    They were both Grade A bags no doubt. So is Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. And yeah Isiah too. All the great ones have a certain sense of en lement with them. I think Duncan is the only exception to that list.

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    Pippen isn't a top 50 player anymore and even at the time it was questionable. He was the true definition of a jock strap.
    well..to be fair..in time..as new players come, players will get pushed back, but Pippen was definately top 50 at the time he played.

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    Jordan ripped teammates all the time. Even punched Steve Kerr once. He was much more demanding than Kobe.

    Also, Lebron uses steroids


    Jordan made Pippen. Jordan was MVP, DPOY, and scoring champ before Pippen ever started for a team in the NBA.

    Go look at interviews of Bulls coaches and staff. They say

    "Michael's influence on Scottie was there from day one. "


    and then laker fans turn around and act like Pippen made MJ a champ LOL

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    It did take Jordan 7 years to win a championship so obviously he couldn't carry a bad awful team. But the Cavs should have beat Orlando last season. They wouldn't have beaten the Lakers, but they were good enough to beat Orlando. It's not all Lebron's fault. Mo Williams was ty during that entire series.

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    They were both Grade A bags no doubt. So is Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. And yeah Isiah too. All the great ones have a certain sense of en lement with them. I think Duncan is the only exception to that list.
    Duncan's a bag too. He's never committed a foul in his whole life.

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    Pippen isn't a top 50 player anymore and even at the time it was questionable. He was the true definition of a jock strap.
    Show me a link,article,proof questioning Pippen's place among the Top 50 players of all time. No one in their right mind would question the best sidekick in league history bro.

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    LMAO at the delusional lakerfans

    Lebron clearly >>>>> Kobe

    Lebron lead Lakers would be scary

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    Pippen is a top 50 player either way, even if a bunch of players come in the NBA and push some back, which doesn't happen very often..

    He's overrated when idiots like namlook say he was the best player in the NBA in his time, but he's certainly top 50..

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    Show me a link,article,proof questioning Pippen's place among the Top 50 players of all time. No one in their right mind would question the best sidekick in league history bro.
    Kobe surpassed him as the best sidekick winning those les with Shaq

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    Kobe surpassed him as the best sidekick winning those les with Shaq
    6 les>3, yes?

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    and then laker fans turn around and act like Pippen made MJ a champ LOL
    ahh just like your dumbass thinks gasol made kobe into a champ.

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    It did take Jordan 7 years to win a championship so obviously he couldn't carry a bad awful team. But the Cavs should have beat Orlando last season. They wouldn't have beaten the Lakers, but they were good enough to beat Orlando. It's not all Lebron's fault. Mo Williams was ty during that entire series.
    Orlando just owns the Cavs. Lebron had a god-like series, even hit a game winning prayer beyond the arc to avoid embarassment and they still lost.


    Personally, I dont think Mike could top Lebron's perfomance in that series. Even if Jordan can, Cavs still lack a viable second option to close Orlando out. Jordan or Lebron woul'dnt make a differnce. A legitimate second option would be the difference maker.

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    Orlando just owns the Cavs. Lebron had a god-like series, even hit a game winning prayer beyond the arc to avoid embarassment and they still lost.


    Personally, I dont think Mike could top Lebron's perfomance in that series. Even if Jordan can, Cavs still lack a viable second option to close Orlando out. Jordan or Lebron woul'dnt make a differnce. A legitimate second option would be the difference maker.
    no matter what, even the greatest players needs a second option. Just ask Magic, West, Jordan and Kobe.

    Lebron is going to carry a team to a ring on his own.

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    Orlando just owns the Cavs. Lebron had a god-like series, even hit a game winning prayer beyond the arc to avoid embarassment and they still lost.


    Personally, I dont think Mike could top Lebron's perfomance in that series. Even if Jordan can, Cavs still lack a viable second option to close Orlando out. Jordan or Lebron woul'dnt make a differnce. A legitimate second option would be the difference maker.
    no matter what, even the greatest players needs a second option. Just ask Magic, West, Jordan and Kobe.

    Lebron isnt going to carry a team to a ring on his own.

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    ahh just like your dumbass thinks gasol made kobe into a champ.
    Gasol is good. He's a Top 15 player good. But he does'nt have the will power to lead a team. Kobe and Gasol were made for each other. Kobe can't win without an All Star big man and Gasol can never win a single playoff game until he was paired with a Superstar with unquenchable desire to win at the greatest heights. You put two and two together and what you have are champions.

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    no matter what, even the greatest players needs a second option. Just ask Magic, West, Jordan and Kobe.

    Lebron isnt going to carry a team to a ring on his own.
    You got it.


    I think the closest one is Olajuwon. He never had a "real" superstar/second option in Houston during their first le in the 90's. But Olajuwon was in beast mode winning MVP, DPOY, FInals MVP and the le that year.


    That Houston team kinda reflects this Cleveland team. Full of smart and hard working players who gelled together at the right time in one magical season.

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    Gasol is good. He's a Top 15 player good. But he does'nt have the will power to lead a team. Kobe and Gasol were made for each other. Kobe can't win without an All Star big man and Gasol can never win a single playoff game until he was paired with a Superstar with unquenchable desire to win at the greatest heights. You put two and two together and what you have are champions.
    same as Pippen with MJ.

    and same as Lebron and _______ when he does win one.

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    You got it.


    I think the closest one is Olajuwon. He never had a "real" superstar/second option in Houston during their first le in the 90's. But Olajuwon was in beast mode winning MVP, DPOY, FInals MVP and the le that year.


    That Houston team kinda reflects this Cleveland team. Full of smart and hard working players who gelled together at the right time in one magical season.
    But how would you think the houston team would be against the bulls with Jordan?

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...0&sportCat=nba

    ESPN : Know this: The Kobe-LeBron argument is dead. It's over. LeBron James is the best basketball player alive.

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    Reggie Miller, ESPN, everyone joining to agree

    No more debate. The debate is dead

    LeBron is the best in the NBA. period

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    @Machine. At least Pippen had an MVP calibre season and led the Bulls past first round and pushed the then ECF champion Knicks into the brink of elimination. Gasol was 0-12 as the main guy. That's disgusting.

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    But how would you think the houston team would be against the bulls with Jordan?
    Olajuwon would get their ass handed to them lol. That same Knicks team was the team that almost lost to Scottie Pippen's Bulls. Add Jordan in the mix then Olajuwon's accolades that year probably stops at MVP and DPOY lol. No doubt in my mind Jordan and the Bulls would finish Houston in 6.

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    @Machine. At least Pippen had an MVP calibre season and led the Bulls past first round and pushed the then ECF champion Knicks into the brink of elimination. Gasol was 0-12 as the main guy. That's disgusting.
    Pippen played that season along with the 3 time champion Bulls and coached by Phil Jackson.

    Gasol didn't have anything close to that.

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