Reggie Miller : "LeBron James would make the Lakers a better team than Kobe does"

[ClippersDynasty]

FkLA is a god awful poster.

[cobbler]

Without a low post player Kobe has never done anything so of course if you give LeBron the same options he has this season he'd definantly elevate the team and probably wouldn't have choked on Garnett/Pierce like Kobe did either...what's new?

Pretty sure that Boston team went through the Cavs to get to the Lakers in 2008. Wasn't LBJ playing in 2008?

[cobbler]

I think Jordan had better overall numbers than Kobe besides scoring.

Plus, Kobe was only the team MVP in one of those championships. If Lebron can win just one le, he will have matched Kobe in that accomplishment.

Still Kobe is an all-time great and the best scorer and clutch shooter in the game while Lebron may be the better all around player. No reason to deny Kobe of that.

You know what gets me about this is you never heard anyone take away anything from Magics 5 championships because Worthy and Jabbar won the MVP in those runs. Nobody has said KG never won a le not being the go to guy. Bird wasnt the MVP on all his les. It's all about the Kobe hate/obsession and nothing more.

MVP's are subjective opinions and nothing more. The very same media personal that posters bash about putting fueling the MJ/Kobe/LBJ debates are the very same who vote for the MVP's to begin with.

...and if you are going to make some idiotic comment on how Kobe was just another player of the 15 on those 3 peat years then save your breath for Miami/chris/harlem.

[Josepatches_]

And you are right, brown is an average player. But you barely heard about him, if at all, when he was on the cavs or bobcats.

Fail.

You heard about him because he was playing in the Lakers and he was the starting PG.The Lakers are the most famous team and everybody see them playing a lot of games every year.

You heard about Mbenga,Radmanovic,Vujacic,Kwame Brown......everybody know their players but not because they play better.Pau Gasol had the same numbers in Memphis but he only was one time all-star. Lamar Odom was better in the past but now he's more famous.

[jacobdrj]

JamStone, you made some very good observations. However, I submit that you may have made a fallacy of correlation: I submit that it is Phil Jackson that makes his players better. Kobe didn't make anyone better in 2005 under Rudy T. I think before 2005, Phil was a good ego manager. I think in 2006 he proved his is the real deal, a team builder and a game/ego manager. Phil knows how to use a bench, even a bench of crappy crappy players.

[cobbler]

Is Gasol a Hall of Famer?

My point is you are so trying to nit-pick and reach for ways to say that MJ>Lebron but wont use the same arguments for Kobe.

uhhh cause he's a idiot. He just made the comment that the league is diluted down now as opposed to when the bulls started winning championships due to contending franchises injuries or core players winding down their careers (Lakers, Pistons) and league expansion.

"We could not have won 70 games playing against 1980's teams."
-Dennis Rodman, starting power forward for the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls

[MiamiHeat]

"At least 50 times. I've jumped off a building, jumped off a cliff in a car. I've been in bedrooms when women came in with knives and guns. "

- Dennis Rodman

[MiamiHeat]

"Chemistry is a class you take in high school or college, where you figure out two plus two is 10, or something. "

- Dennis Rodman

[cobbler]

No surprises here, this is something everyone but Laker homers realize. Lebron has a more complete offensive game in the sense that he isnt just a scorer but also a facilitator. Not to mention the fact that he isnt the type of player that will shoot 30 times every game in order to get his stats all while ac ulating a grand total of about 3 assists. Defensively, Artest always guards the opposing teams best swingman so there is no drop off there. Lebron will just guard the scrubs that Kobe usually guards.

Lebron averages 6.8 assists career. Kobe 4.6 Kobe, other than the forst 2 years where he came off the bench has always averaged around 4 or 5 a game so your 3 assists comment is total fabrication on your part. If your going to hate... at least hate with facts.

[cobbler]

Did a Laker fan really just talk about refs and Stern playing favorites, really? Really?!? Really?!? After having Gasol gift wrapped, after obvious and blatant favoritism for the Lakers in the playoffs (Kings WCF most notably), after Stern himself came out and said his dream Finals matchup is "Lakers vs Lakers"", etc, etc, etc.

Also you act like Kobe doesnt get the same calls that Lebron does. Sit the down son, Laker fans are the last people that should be complaining about Bron getting calls.

The fact that Timmy gets those very same calls didint sit you down talking about Kobe's calls did it. You cannot even follow your own advice!

[Nathan Explosion]

I agree with Miller, but again, Jordan fanatics should answer this question.



Using the same logic. Would a prime Michael Jordan make this Cavs a better team?



Without Pippen, no he would'nt. So Lebron>Jordan?



Think about it

I'd take Jordan over Lebron, but even I have to admit that if Lebron becomes truly focused on winning and harnasses his abilities to the fullest, he's going to end up the greatest ever. There's too much talent, athleticism and natural ability in that body not to achieve that status if the above conditions are met.

[cobbler]

Kobe has better court-vision than Bron? Ridiculous. As far as Kobe being a better playmaker, I'll give you the fact that Kobe has the tools to be as good of a playmaker as Bron. But like you said he just doesnt have that willingness to be that, he thrives on scoring. As far as being a playmaker and facilitator Bron wins the comparison hands down, its not even that close either.

Do you even watch Laker games other than the few on national tv every year? Kobe has been the leading assist man on the team for the decade. Not even close? Lebron averages 2 assists more per game in a system in which he has his hands on the ball 80% of the time in playmaking mode. Kobe plays in the triangle where ball movement is required. Yes, he gets out of that mode and has to be reminded every so often but to call LBJ a playmaker and Kobe not is just pure ignorance.

[Banzai]

thank goodness no one compares LBJ to Jordan.

[Nathan Explosion]

[QUOTE=cobbler;4037121][QUOTE=FkLA;4036594]Kobe has better court-vision than Bron? Ridiculous. As far as Kobe being a better playmaker, I'll give you the fact that Kobe has the tools to be as good of a playmaker as Bron. But like you said he just doesnt have that willingness to be that, he thrives on scoring. As far as being a playmaker and facilitator Bron wins the comparison hands down, its not even that close either.
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Do you even watch Laker games other than the few on national tv every year? Kobe has been the leading assist man on the team for the decade. Not even close? Lebron averages 2 assists more per game in a system in which he has his hands on the ball 80% of the time in playmaking mode. Kobe plays in the triangle where ball movement is required. Yes, he gets out of that mode and has to be reminded every so often but to call LBJ a playmaker and Kobe not is just pure ignorance.

That creative offense that the Cavs run is the Lebron on 5 offense. If Mike Brown knew how to actually coach and offense, the Cavs would be better.

[hitmanyr2k]

You know what gets me about this is you never heard anyone take away anything from Magics 5 championships because Worthy and Jabbar won the MVP in those runs. Nobody has said KG never won a le not being the go to guy. Bird wasnt the MVP on all his les. It's all about the Kobe hate/obsession and nothing more.

It's because no one was trying to put Magic, Bird, or KG on a level they don't belong on

Some delusional Laker fans out there believe Kobe should be in the talks of G.O.A.T because he finally led his team to ONE le. And they think Kobe's 4 ring total somehow correlates to Jordan's 6 but never factor in the way Jordan and Kobe won their championships. Sometimes you have to remind these kind of fools that Jordan won 6 les as bonafide numero uno. When Kobe won his first le he was a inconsistent rising star mixing good games with some downright atrocious ones. Yet, Kobe homers want to ignore that and scream "Kobe has 4 rings, put him up there with MJ"

Of course people are gonna argue against that .

[cobbler]

true. But at least I acknowledge Lebron is the best current player and Jordan the best player ever.

I don't even like either

and you are wrong on both counts. GO figure.

[cobbler]

true. But at least I acknowledge Lebron is the best current player and Jordan the best player ever.

I don't even like either

and you are wrong on both counts. Go figure.

[cobbler]

last season Spurs had the same, Bonner, Manu, Mason. Look how far that got them.

But they didnt have the GOD of basketball on their team. LBJ could take a high school team to the finals and win he is so gifted!

Sadly though... he hasn't yet. hmmmmmm

[HarlemHeat37]

I actually agree with Al-Quobe when they say he doesn't get the same calls as those other guys..he really doesn't, same with Duncan..I think it's because of how much they complain, it would make sense..they DO get superstar calls, but definitely not on the top level..

As for the topic here, Lebron is obviously better than Kobe, I don't see how there's an argument..I would understand if Lebron played poorly in the playoffs last year, but he didn't..he's simply the more dominant player, especially this season with Kobe's shooting struggles, which was one of his main advantages over Lebron..

Al-Quobe is an organization that reeks of hypocrisy..they are very creative with their arguments, and they've subtly shifted their arguments as Kobe's career has changed/evolved..

The best part is when they play the "supporting cast" argument with Kobe vs. Lebron(with Wade last year as well)..it was pretty much the complete opposite when Kobe was the one with the lesser supporting cast..they would argue that winning didn't matter, because Kobe just didn't have the supporting cast to do it..when the argument was Kobe vs. Duncan and Timmy was winning les, their argument was that Duncan's supporting cast was a lot better(which was obviously true) and pointed to Kobe's scoring stats and #s in general..

When Lebron's fans do the same, Al-Quobe doesn't accept it..

This is also funny, because in MVP rankings last year with Kobe-Wade, Al-Quobe played AGAINST the angle that they used themselves in the Kobe vs. Nash argument back in 2006..

Just let it go both ways..

[cobbler]

Pau Gaysol, Andrew Crynum, Lamar Kardashian, and Crazy Ron?

gotta love this.... he points out 4 players and uses nicknames given them do as a diss to thier qualities.

[cobbler]

I live in LA and watch tons of Laker games - all for the joy of watching them lose. I actually have always liked the Lakers - until Bryant got there. I now give away tickets to Laker games because I can't stand Laker fans.

Why can I not stand Laker fans? Because all they do is cling to a guy like Bryant, who ran Shaquille (the guy responsible for bringing three les to the city) out of town, then immediately cried to the front office to get him help.

The guy embodies the an hesis of team basketball, both on the court, and especially off the court. To me it's shameful that anybody would pull for this guy. Especially women. When I see a woman or little girl walking around in a Bryant jersey, my skin crawls. Do yourself a favor and read the police report from Colorado. The guy is, at best, a disgrace tot he League and to the storied Laker organization. And for Laker fans who continually say, "He wasn't convicted of any crime - he didn't do anything." Please, read the police report. It's all in Bryant's words talking about exactly what he did - at least what he admitteded to the police that he did. By the way, this is also when he mentioned Shaquille's name - a teammate - when Bryant himself was being questioned about an alleged sexual assault. Shaquille O'Neal wasn't even in the state of Colorado at the time.

The only positive thing I can say about Bryant is that he's able to put the ball in the hoop if he gets enough shots, and that's a ton of shots I might add. If that attribute makes Laker fans happy, so be it. He's a guy playing a team sport, but he's playing for himself. Always has, always will. That's obvious to fans of every other team in the league, but not to Laker fans.

Read the police report.

What a friggen baby. As usual, when you have nothing of merit to produce, pull out the rape card. Thanks for that insight that we have heard a bizillion times from the others obsessed with Kobe.

[cobbler]

It's because no one was trying to put Magic, Bird, or KG on a level they don't belong on

Some delusional Laker fans out there believe Kobe should be in the talks of G.O.A.T because he finally led his team to ONE le. And they think Kobe's 4 ring total somehow correlates to Jordan's 6 but never factor in the way Jordan and Kobe won their championships. Sometimes you have to remind these kind of fools that Jordan won 6 les as bonafide numero uno. When Kobe won his first le he was a inconsistent rising star mixing good games with some downright atrocious ones. Yet, Kobe homers want to ignore that and scream "Kobe has 4 rings, put him up there with MJ"

Of course people are gonna argue against that .

So you are saying of the Lakers go on to win 4 more les with Kobe as the #1 then he deserves to be in the talk? Bull . The Lakers could win the next 5 in a row and we would still hear this argument. Just as before we heard he's never been the #1 option, then last year he was, and now its not enough. Come on. I really could care less especially since I have several players above MJ or Kobe for that matter as the GOAT. What matters when it is all said and done is les and Kobe will end up with more than MJ. MJ and Magic had their little compe ion who would get the most. MJ won. It had nothing to do with who was the #1 option. If you ask how many les they got you will hear...MJ got 6 and Magic got 5 (regardless that Worthy and Jabbar were the MVP's for 2 of those. You ask how many Kobe got... you will hear 1 as the #1 option. This is all about the Kobe hate and nothing more. It's what the Miami/Chris/Harlems live for.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL @ Gobbler's last few lines..he's so sad..

I give Kobe credit where he's due..he has 1 le as a #1 option, 2 les as #1a option, and 1 le as a #2 option..these are facts, you can't just ignore it..

He's one of the best scorers of all-time, he's had a lot of great playoff series', he's had 1 great NBA Finals..he's had a couple of poor Finals and 1 historically bad Finals series..he has a deserved NBA MVP award, he has numerous scoring records, he has 1 Finals MVP award..

He has a very sexy list of accolades..it just isn't nearly as good as his fans want us to believe, there's no shame in that..

[Kori Ellis]

FkLA is a god awful poster.

I took out your avatar. Several people thought it was too much.

[cobbler]

Oh...I am anything but sad. We won the le last year. We have the best or 2nd best (% points) record as of now and have a solid chance of repeating. To be honest, I rarely see your posts anymore as I put quite a few on the ole ignore list. When i say few I am refering to usernames and not the actual person since you are 3 of them. Kudos for that! It just gets old hearing the same stuff over and over. I occasionally see your posts befor I log in (such as this one) and will make a comment.

The best part of it all is that Kobe will win his 7th and top MJ and all this will get revisitied ad nauseum for the next several years and for what? Neither Kobe or MJ is the GOAT. Go figure.