Kobe Wants 'Old-School' Defensive Rules To Return

[gaKNOW!blee]

Lebron mention.

[Pero]

At least you understand that a zone allows for easier inside scoring, unlike some other fans. I give you props for that

What? Are you drunk? That's not what he said.

[Warlord23]

Here's a fun fact. Across the entire spectrum of basketball fans, the only fan base that thinks perimeter players of today face tougher defenses than the 80s/90s lot are Laker fans. It's their one and only way of trying to put Kobe in the same breath as MJ/Magic/Bird. The rest of the NBA fanbase, commentators and players themselves know the truth, which is:

1. NBA teams use zone about 10% of the time. The zone defense is only used as a change-up, not as a primary tactic. So how can it have a big effect at all?
2. NBA zone is not a true zone, unlike the college game. No NBA zone defense can feature an unguarded defender inside the free-throw lane because of the 3 second violation.
3. The bigger change is the taking away of hand-checks and hard fouls. A prime MJ would drop 50 with the kind of mollycoddling today's perimeter players get.

Of course, even after ignoring these facts, Kobe nut-huggers will not respond to 2 very obvious facts that poke a hole in their little theory:

1. Kobe played and won 2 les before the zone was ins uted. If he was the main man (not Shaq, according to Laker fan) on those le teams, why didn't he just drop 35 each game?
2. MJ played both the 2001-02 and 2002-03 seasons as a 40 year old with a bum knee as the #1 option on the Wiz. The "suffocating" zone defense couldn't prevent this broken-down old man from putting 23 PPG and 20 PPG respectively in those 2 years. His PER in these 2 years (20.8 and 19.3) was not too far behind Kobe's pre-zone-era PER in the 1999-00 year (21.7) when he allegedly was the engine of a Laker le. A young MJ would have torn up the modern era.

[21_Blessings]

Laker fan is delusional. Kobe would look pretty average going up against the old school hard nosed defense Jordan had to face.

Good job outing yourself. Now everyone can clearly see you know nothing about how basketball is actually played.

[TheMACHINE]

and if Kobe came out and said that he DONT want old school defense, you ers would say something to hate on him too.

[Allanon]

zone defenses typically do not involve aggressive pressure on the ball handler and allow the offensive team to pass the ball around the perimeter, leading to more time being used by the offensive team before a shot is attempted.

OMFG, Can't you even read what you are posting? You bolded this part which actually proves my point? WTF? The zone stops players from getting into the paint.

o? Shots in the paint is much more effective than jacking up shots from the perimeter

It says right there, "allow the offensive team to pass the ball AROUND THE PERIMETER".
[*]Many zones pack defenders in the lane but allow the offensive team to take long-range shots.

[Pero]

You gotta be drunk.

[Allanon]

Laker fan is delusional. Kobe would look pretty average going up against the old school hard nosed defense Jordan had to face. The nba is constantly changing the rules to make it a SG's game in order to find the next Jordan.

Mavfan is delusional.

Jeff Van Coach himself says the Zone defense makes it much harder for guard penetration.

Instead of coming up with some more of your idiocy, please post some proof.

[Allanon]

What? Are you drunk? That's not what he said.

Are you drunk?

That's exactly what he said.

Lefty understands that the Zone Defense allows for guard penetration, points in the paint.... unlike these other fans that don't know jack about basketball.

That other fool even posted a quote that specifically says "LONG RANGE SHOTS" and killed his own argument.

[Double-Up]

OMFG, Can't you even read what you are posting? You bolded this part which actually proves my point? WTF? The zone stops players from getting into the paint.

o? Shots in the paint is much more effective than jacking up shots from the perimeter

It says right there, "allow the offensive team to pass the ball AROUND THE PERIMETER". [*]Many zones pack defenders in the lane but allow the offensive team to take long-range shots.

So what? I stated zone's are moreso geared towards stopping post players which is why their allowed today, A- shortage of real centers, B- NBA wants this to be a guards game, case ing closed lakerfan.

[mavs>spurs2]

Mavfan is delusional.

Jeff Van Coach himself says the Zone defense makes it much harder for guard penetration.

Instead of coming up with some more of your idiocy, please post some proof.

Yes, it makes it much harder to drive compared to the pussified one on one defense with no handchecking or breathing on the offensive player that is played today, but not harder to score against than the hard nosed defense that used to be played. Back when it was real basketball, before the NBA and WNBA merged.

[Allanon]

So what? I stated zone's are moreso geared towards stopping post players which is why their allowed today, A- shortage of real centers, B- NBA wants this to be a guards game, case ing closed lakerfan.

You stupid .

It is geared towards stopping paint penetration from perimeter players. That's why they "PACK THE LANE" just like your article said.

Zones collapse on perimeter players when they try to penetrate...see the 2008 Finals Celtics vs Kobe. 3-4 man zones ... let the other players get theirs

Forget Kobe, LeBron would average 40 points a game if he didn't have to face a 2-3 man zone each and every play.

And we all know LeBron ain't a post player

[Pero]

Are you drunk?

That's exactly what he said.

wow... ok
1.

The only difference is HOW they would get their points: in zone, they are more often wide open on 3's; in no zone situation, more penetrations, FT's...

So let me explain what this is saying. If there is a zone, there are more outside shots (=easier). If there IS NOT a zone, there are more inside shots(=easier).

2.

At least you understand that a zone allows for easier inside scoring, unlike some other fans.

So let me explain what this is saying. If there IS a zone there are more inside shots (=easier).


1. doesn't correspond to 2.

[Allanon]

Yes, it makes it much harder to drive compared to the pussified one on one defense with no handchecking or breathing on the offensive player that is played today, but not harder to score against than the hard nosed defense that used to be played. Back when it was real basketball, before the NBA and WNBA merged.

Stupid mother er. Can you not read?

Where did I say anything about Hand checking?

I specifically talked about ZONE DEFENSE ONLY.

RIF.

[Pero]

Lefty understands that the Zone Defense allows for guard penetration, points in the paint.... unlike these other fans that don't know jack about basketball.

My god, I swear sometimes I think you were dropped on your head when you were a baby.

[Allanon]

wow... ok
1.


So let me explain what this is saying. If there is a zone, there are more outside shots (=easier). If there IS NOT a zone, there are more inside shots(=easier).

2.


So let me explain what this is saying. If there IS a zone there are more inside shots (=easier).


1. doesn't correspond to 2.

I'm not sure if you understand English correctly. It seems you are a foreigner so I won't make fun of you.

Please ask Lefty to explain it to you.

Lefty, if you're still around, please explain it, I don't want to seem like a picking on somebody who doesn't understand English.

[mavs>spurs2]

Stupid mother er. Can you not read?

Where did I say anything about Hand checking?

I specifically talked about ZONE DEFENSE ONLY.

RIF.

So you agree that after all Stern has done to make it a SG's game, teams are starting to get creative and do the next best thing besides good old fashioned hard nosed defense, by playing zone. Ok.

[Warlord23]

Let me simplify this for Laker fan

22 year-old KB in 99-00 with no zone D: 21.7 PER
40-year-old MJ in 01-02 with zone D: 20.8 PER

[Pero]

You stupid .

It is geared towards stopping paint penetration from perimeter players. That's why they "PACK THE LANE" just like your article said.

Do you have a multiple personality disorder or something?

You just said:

Lefty understands that the Zone Defense allows for guard penetration, points in the paint....

[mavsfan1000]

Obviously. Kobe wants to go 1-on-1 instead of 1-on-5. Zones rule though. They do need to stop the star treatment though.

[mavs>spurs2]

LOL allanon getting pissed about anything that goes against his revisionist history and slinging insults. You're right brah, Kobe faces a much harder defense than anything ever before seen and still puts up 30ppg, he's the undisputed GOAT. The NBA definitely isn't desperate for a new Jordan. Kobe is living proof of what would have happened if Wilt's daddy hooked up with MJ's momma. Immortal Kobe!

[Allanon]

So you agree that after all Stern has done to make it a SG's game, teams are starting to get creative and do the next best thing besides good old fashioned hard nosed defense, by playing zone. Ok.

Outlawing hand-checking on the perimeter is child's play compared to the Zone.

The Zone defense has made it much more difficult for perimeter players to penetrate into the paint. This is why there are so many jump shooting teams now.

[Allanon]

LOL allanon getting pissed about anything that goes against his revisionist history and slinging insults. You're right brah, Kobe faces a much harder defense than anything ever before seen and still puts up 30ppg, he's the undisputed GOAT. The NBA definitely isn't desperate for a new Jordan. Kobe is living proof of what would have happened if Wilt's daddy hooked up with MJ's momma. Immortal Kobe!

Lol M>S actually thinking I'm pissed.

You're one stupid mother er

[Allanon]

Do you have a multiple personality disorder or something?

You just said:

That was a typo but you understand what I mean from my first few posts.

[Double-Up]

That was a typo but you understand what I mean from my first few posts.

I understand you're on the verge of a nervous breakdown.


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