Majority of Republicans believe Obama's a Socialists...

[Winehole23]

It's a good thing we aren't a bunch of high school girls who create clicks and belittle anything not agreed by the group speak.

At least you have another Red-baiter to commune with now. You can be grateful for that.

[spursncowboys]

oh oh did I go against the mob?

[spursncowboys]

So how is spreading the wealth not socialism?

How using taxes to even the playing field not socialism?

[clambake]

just supply an answer.

[rjv]

Socialism has always concentrated power in the hands of a few. That's not a coincident, it's a consequence of its principles. The incompetence of socialists to recognize the necessary consequence of the principles of their philosophy is another different issue.

that does not make it socialism any more than the concentrated powers of the US make our system capitalism. corruption does not define the ideology.

what exactly are: " the necessary consequence(s) of the principles of [socialist] philosophy" ? does capitalism not have any?

That's a paradox. Intervention of the state, except to regulate against force or fraud, kills capitalism.

Calling massive government expansions, like the bail-out or the stimulus programs, capitalism is just bizarre. In capitalism, entrepreneurs survive and prosper accordingly to their capacity to satisfy the consumer, not due to their ability to meddle with the government. Obviously, if statists weren't always expanding the government, this wouldn't be an issue.

or perhaps this is capitalism's consequences. certainly this is what it has become. or call it neoliberalism if you prefer.

[admiralsnackbar]

It's a good thing we aren't a bunch of high school girls who create clicks and belittle anything not agreed by the group speak.

It's nice to know I can always depend on your moral outrage and classiness, but the whole drift of my post was to point out that mogro creates a group out of the most incongruous elements.

And for the record, if I argue against the whole board without being able to defend my points or appreciate others', I heartily encourage you to call me a clown.

[ElNono]

KEynes gives elected officials to give large contracts to the ones who helped them get elected. I think that has been the theories popularity over the years. That and the upper class supports it. However his theory is built around the idea that the govt. is the only answer to fixing the economy ( a statement bho has said) I take as a Socialist notion. Who knows what a politician thinks when no one is around. Should we talk about precise ideas that are Socialist? I think his comment about using taxes to even the playing field is socialist.

If you think that's what Keynes is, then you don't know much about Keynes at all. Not surprising, really. What you speak of is called corruption, a trait that can be easily tied to any political system.

Was handing out no-bid contracts to Haliburton socialist? Is Ted Stevens a socialist?

[Winehole23]

So how is spreading the wealth not socialism?

How using taxes to even the playing field not socialism?

Like most Americans, SnC takes socialism for granted.

It's a by product of the USA actually having been quasi-socialistic, and massively bureaucratic, for 75 years. We can feel it in our bones because it is there, and was there before most of us.

Conservatives in the USA for the most part do not seem so guilty minded about having already been socialists for so long, as completely unaware of it. So it all gets projected on a scapegoat instead of being claimed as personally owned.

They're the socialists, you say. But the New Deal and Great Society bureaucracies and Medicare part D still stand more or less unchallenged by the same principled American conservatives who threw themselves --and all of us ---under the wheels of the bailout in 2008.

[TeyshaBlue]

It's a good thing we aren't a bunch of high school girls who create clicks and belittle anything not agreed by the group speak.

You do know that occasionally, the group is correct. Right?

[ElNono]

Which one? The one for the first 2 years of his mandate, the one of the 110 Propositions pour la France, probably (although there are lots of things in common, including the massive transfers of wealth from taxpayers to private hands), but what exactly differentiates the cohabitation/Rocard Miterrand of Obama? When his initial keynesian policies failed, Miterrand smartly and swiftly corrected his course. Well, he's the father of the CAP and the creator of the oligarchy of European millionaire farmers; but will Obama veto the new farm bill?

The François Mitterrand that in 1988 reformed Healthcare to mandate payment from everyone into the system, including those with no employment but with capital gains. Imagine the horror of the wealthy having to chip into a single payor healthcare too!

Yeah, I guess Chavez and Kirchner are more socialist than Obama. But should we reserve the label "socialist" for complete nutcases like those two?

Chavez and Kirchner are extreme left. Compared to them, Obama is center right.

[spursncowboys]

Like most Americans, SnC takes socialism for granted.

It's a by product of the USA actually having been quasi-socialistic, and massively bureaucratic, for 75 tears. We can feel it in our bones because it is there, and was there before most of us.

Conservatives in the USA for the most part do not seem so guilty minded about having already been socialists for so long, as completely unaware of it. So it all gets projected on a scapegoat instead of being claimed as personally owned.

They're the socialists, you say. But the New Deal and Great Society bureaucracies and Medicare part D still stand more or less unchallenged by the same principled American conservatives who threw themselves under the wheels of the bailout in 2008.

I asked how those two instances is not socialism. Instead everyone has forgotten that there are actual defintions for words and instead want to have a history lesson. If you think bush did something socialist, then state exactly what you think it was and we should go from there. If you think things obama has stated he wants to do and actual actions barry has done is not socialist because another party had someone do a similar act, then you are missing the point (like I missed my run-on sentence class in school).

[Winehole23]

If you think bush did something socialist, then state exactly what you think it was and we should go from there.

I didn't fail to specify Medicare part D.

[Winehole23]

Does TARP somehow not count?

[TeyshaBlue]

No child left behind....

[Winehole23]

If you think things obama has stated he wants to do and actual actions barry has done is not socialist because another party had someone do a similar act, then you are missing the point

I don't think so. I think Obama is just as socialist as the GOP, maybe a little bit more.

[Winehole23]

No child left behind....

Federalization of educational standards. Yeah.

[Winehole23]

Teaching to the test. Is it doing the trick yet?

[TeyshaBlue]

Teaching to the test. Is it doing the trick yet?

Beautifully.






Depends on the trick tho.

[spursncowboys]

The poll is silly and is meant for creating divisive topics to help the dems. it's sad how the msm picked it up so quickly but will not as quickly pick up the global warming black eyes. There was a list that the dems came with that they were going to focus on to try and get back support. bring up birthers and see who would call bho a socialist. Also take out of context - glenn beck. I would just want people to discuss the actual policies politicians push and if the policies are socialist or not.

[Winehole23]

Two center left parties, at heart.

[Winehole23]

Beautifully.






Depends on the trick tho.

Good news?

[Winehole23]

Seldom gets posted here.

[mogrovejo]

that does not make it socialism any more than the concentrated powers of the US make our system capitalism. corruption does not define the ideology.

what exactly are: " the necessary consequence(s) of the principles of [socialist] philosophy" ? does capitalism not have any?

or perhaps this is capitalism's consequences. certainly this is what it has become. or call it neoliberalism if you prefer.

We can solve this very quickly: point an example of a socialist regime, please.

[TeyshaBlue]

The poll is silly and is meant for creating divisive topics to help the dems. it's sad how the msm picked it up so quickly but will not as quickly pick up the global warming black eyes. There was a list that the dems came with that they were going to focus on to try and get back support. bring up birthers and see who would call bho a socialist. Also take out of context - glenn beck. I would just want people to discuss the actual policies politicians push and if the policies are socialist or not.

The "poll" is nothing more than propoganda....and weak at that. But, if all you have is a hammer....

[mogrovejo]

NCLB and the Medicare bribe are statist policies, and extremely expensive ones.

I have no idea how can anyone say those policies aren't socialist, statist, policies. Unless using the rationale that "they aren't statist because others have followed statist policies before".