Majority of Republicans believe Obama's a Socialists...

[ChumpDumper]

But if you really want to stay on topic, SnC:

Which president in the last century hasn't advocated or enacted statist policies?

I know you don't.

[spursncowboys]

me from p. 1 & 5
So how is spreading the wealth not socialism?

How is using taxes to even the playing field not socialism?

[ChumpDumper]

So every president who didn't abolish a progressive income tax since its inception is a socialist according to SnC.

OK.

[clambake]

we need to "bail you out" of this thread.

[spursncowboys]

CD: Is using taxes to redistribute wealth socialism? If not why.

[ChumpDumper]

CD: Is using taxes to redistribute wealth socialism? If not why.

If that is your only definition, sure. According to you, all presidents who have not abolished progressive income taxes are socialists.

Reagan: socialist.

[Marcus Bryant]

Americans are mostly blind to the socialistic and fascistic nature of their federal government over the last one hundred and twenty years (or so). They're most aware of it when the political party they do not support takes control of the executive branch.

[spursncowboys]

If that is your only definition, sure. According to you, all presidents who have not abolished progressive income taxes are socialists.

Reagan: socialist.

Thats not the point. So Obama believes that taxes are so you can spread the wealth around. That is a socialist notion.

[xrayzebra]

Good Lord, I cant believe all this jabber about a dumbass poll on
Daily Kos. Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Besides he isn't a Socialist. He is a Marxist. He just likes to socialize things,
like car companies, insurance companies, student loans, home mortgages
and Barney Frank. Barney thrown in cause Boutons needs love.

And Barney isn't picky.

[ChumpDumper]

Thats not the point. So Obama believes that taxes are so you can spread the wealth around. That is a socialist notion.

All the other presidents have accepted that notion since the introduction of the progressive tax. They only quibble over the ratios.

[Winehole23]

[Marcus Bryant]

The American Dream has been 'socialized' for well over seventy years now.

Or, keep your dirty Marxist hands off mah Social Security and Medicare.

[mogrovejo]

I didn't know that. I don't think what is written in here is wrong though. I read the body and thought it was what I was looking for. He used quotes from people there at the time. Basically the French rolled over. The resistence were the farther left guys - Marxists. Also that the avg. Paris citizen was not put out to the parade out of fear from a Socialist govt. That they went on their own will. I didn't understand why some of you posted a laugh icon and figured you did not think it true. Do you disagree with only the website?

You're correct. What you posted was a positive and vanilla review of a book authored by a very mainstream and respectable historian.

Where it was published is completely irrelevant.

The reform I was speaking about was in 1998, not '88.

Ah, it was a typo then. I found it weird when I read it, 88 was way to late for Mitterrand to embark in some kind of meaningful reform.

I know the 1996/1998 reform well.

It's interesting to note, however, that Chirac was more of a right winger, yet he passed this reform which basically punishes the wealthy.

Personally I think that Mitterrand and Chirac are virtually undistinguishable. In any case, that reform was fathered by Alain Juppé. I'm not sure if it punishes the wealthy. Why so? Because of the tax on total earnings subs uting the payroll taxes? That's merely a nominal change... It was basically an attempt to widen the financing base and to control costs, by indexing their grown to revenues raised. Unfortunately, it was widely unsucessful - the French health-care system has been running on deficits for the last 20 years.

Sarkozy is now starting to address it, but there's little to do: sooner or later they'd have to settle for a massive downsizing of the public component of the health-care system or, in alternative, deep rationing measures.

[mogrovejo]

200+ posts in and still no signs of this thread being anywhere close to the inevitable conclusion that it's impossible to "prove" someone is or isn't a socialist when the very definition of the word is still somewhat subjective, as are what the "qualifications" should be.

There's no alternative to subjective judgment in political discussions. That doesn't mean that they're useless; just that their objective should be different than "proving" things.

[Nbadan]

So, if OAI did a online poll tomorrow on whether Obama is a socialist or not some of you think he wouldn't beat 70%...

[SouthernFried]

Obama's a socialist, marxist, communist...pick a label..any label. Come up with something new and unique even!!

He ing sucks...

"Just don't tarnish the word 'socialist' with Obama..."

give me a ing break.

[SouthernFried]

I thought this was all proved when Boutons gave us WIKI's definition of socialism...which described exactly what OBAMA was doing.

pretty cut and dry...can't believe this is still going on.

[TeyshaBlue]

So, if OAI did a online poll tomorrow on whether Obama is a socialist or not some of you think he wouldn't beat 70%...

So you can't defend your OP and it's "Poll". Ok then.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, a good number of board Republicans call him a socialist. Maybe the poll isn't too far off.

[spursncowboys]

The poll loses credibilty in the other questions - Birthers.

[ChumpDumper]

The poll loses credibilty in the other questions - Birthers.

Does it?

It wasn't a majority that were birthers.

[spursncowboys]

Does it?

It wasn't a majority that were birthers.

Do you think this is a credible poll, taken by actual conservatives?

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think this is a credible poll, taken by actual conservatives?

I think a sizable minority of self-proclaimed Republicans could indeed be birthers. It would be nice if some other pollsters asked the question.

[ChumpDumper]

According to the survey, 36 percent of respondents do not believe the president was born in this country

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32384.html

Republicans are more inclined to say that the allegations have received too little attention. Nearly four-in-ten Republicans (39%) express this view

http://people-press.org/report/533/m...of-health-care

It's not the same question, but there seems to be some correlation.

[Marcus Bryant]