LOL thanks. I never thought of it that way at all.This is a nice silver lining out of it all.
With the uncertainty and talks of hard caps teams will look to be dumping contracts. SA isn't exactly a huge FA destination so the Spurs can cash in on a big name this way...y'all may be thanking RJ when it's all said and done.
So is the possible lockout supposed to be after this season? or is it after next season when the CBA has to be renewed?
The possible lockout would be at the start of the 2011-12 season. So it would be after the next season (2010-2011).
This is why RJ's contract may actually be worth more than usual for financially strapped teams facing a possible lockout and a hard salary cap with lux tax penalties.
It's also the same time draft guys like Marc Gasol, OJ Mayo and Derrick Rose come up for new contracts.
Ahh ok got ya. Cheers Allanon. I thought the possible lock out was after this season.
Hmm someone call up Chris Bosh and tell him to force a trade to the Spurs in the offseason. Get him to tell the Raptors he wants to come back to Texas and they can have the very valuable expiring contract of RJ.
Ok, but it's not our job, we are fans... What's their excuse ?
Okay, lets say you are RC Buford. In the offseason if the Bucks offered you RJ for Bruce/Fab/KT would you accept?
Yes... that's why i am a fan and not the GM of the Spurs !
But as the GM of the Spurs i would have never traded Scola !!!!!!!!!!! NEVER !
Fixed.Richard Jefferson, the worst player for the money this team has ever traded for.
I don't think they had in mind the value RJ might have after the 2010-2011 season. I think they thought they had a piece to the puzzle that would help them win now.
What value would it be to Tim Duncan to have to wait a couple of years to get something worth the money they are spending now? The window of opportunity isn't that big anymore with regards to winning another championship with Tim on the team.
That money could have been used to get 2 players that could have contributed more positively than what RJ contibutes on his own.
But that's hindsight. To answer a question posed earlier...RJ for old beat up scrubs was pretty much a no brainer. Unfortunately the team didn't realize RJ was a no brainer either.
Luis,
Was that a trade, or a charitable IRS donation made by Mr. Holt?
Quality post, SpurNation
The Luis Scola mentionings are appropriate in this thread. RJ's the worst power forward in Spurs history. I know that's only when the Spurs go to smallball, but out of position is out of position. Don't ask an apple to taste like steak.
Not to make excuses, but it's tough enough to adapt to a new system without having to play out of position most of the time. (and its tougher to go from small to big and vice versa than from 1 guard or wing position to the other)
RJ was supposed to just be the icing on the cake. Right now, the team is just not gelling the way it should.
Call me overly patient, but while I want more out of this team, I am not in panic mode until march is over and the Spurs are in the 8th seed or worse.
Last edited by 4down; 02-05-2010 at 09:33 AM.
RJ's poor defensive rotations and lackluster play has reminded me that players, who've played for several years on bad teams have a tendency to develop terrible habits. I zoned in on him speciifically last night, and his effort and reactions, on the defensive end, are just atrocious. Sure, he can come up with a spectacular block or dunk every now and again, but overall he's just bad.
On the offensive end, it would help if he played with had a pass-first PG, but this isn't all TP's fault. RJ gets into the periods where he just floats and watches. He gets very passive, even to the point where he will not make the effort to even rebound!
That said, Pop and RC probably thought they could "coach him up" because he is a willing and coachable player. However, he's just too far gone to be saved. If this isn't the biggest mistake of Pop's regime, I would certainly say it's the most costly failure.
I've been saying this for over a month...RJ does not fit in..he is content to be a jump shooter & that is not why we traded for him...he does not slash to the basket anymore, no more easy dunks or foul shots, when he does get fouled, he can't make a FT, he is a screen door on defense...if we cant trade him this season, for sure in the summer.
At the way he is playing right now ....I think so too.... Holt is paying him so much.....All I can do is pray for him so that he can be the player the team wanted him to be.... His shot selection and defense is awful.
Or is the problem that we have is the position he is playing. Why not make him a SG in our team. That might open up more opportunities for him to score more inside the paint.
Those guys will be extended LONG before their rookie contracts come up.
I dont know who else is part of the FA class in two years but you can count Rose OUT.
Not a horrible trade in terms of players given back, but a horrible trade in regards to money spent and cap space.
I'm beginning to think that Jefferson's lack of passion is actually draining energy from the team.
OJ and Gasol are going to get max contracts in their pay scale. And you can add in Zach Randolph and Mike Conley who are also expiring.
Those guys will be extended LONG before their rookie contracts come up.
I dont know who else is part of the FA class in two years but you can count Rose OUT.
Grizzlies will have 4 of 5 starters in a contract situation and Heisley's been careful to keep his team under the salary cap to be attractive to buyers.
Memphis is right at the cap now with those guys in their rookie contracts, they can't stay under cap if they re-sign all of them.
Memphis has been notoriously cheap and is still up for sale. I don't think it's far-fetched if they let one of them go.
Last edited by Allanon; 02-05-2010 at 10:46 AM.
I think the Scola trade could have cost the Spurs a championship. If you see how the Rockets played against the Lakers in last years playoffs, Scola caused problems for the Lakers bigs. Imagine a lineup now with Duncan, Scola, McDyess to matchup against Bynum, Artest, Gasol. That was the worst trade the Spurs have ever done, they gave up spare parts to acquire Jefferson.
What's really frustrating is that they traded away Scola to save money and broke out the checkbook when they decided to get Jefferson.
c'mon you guys have a big front line of Duncan, McDyess....and Bonner!!!! Yay!
I am sure the Lakers are ting in their pants...
It's worse when you figure in the salaries of the guys they paid for instead of just keeping Scola's $3 million salary.What's really frustrating is that they traded away Scola to save money and broke out the checkbook when they decided to get Jefferson.
Scola - 15ppg, 9 rbds
Bonner - 7ppg, 4 rbds
KT - 4ppg, 5 rbds
Dice - 6ppg, 5 rbds
Oberto - 3ppg, 3 rbds
Mahinmi - 4ppg, 3 rbds
Ratliff - 2ppg 2 rbds
And that's not counting the additional wear and tear on Duncan and missed Playoff opportunities. I've always felt the Scola trade for $3 million derailed the Spurs championship run.
... and Tony Parker!
Honnestly, it's hard to refuse this player, but that contract???
That's the only question I had (I wadn't alone)...
He is maybe the most overpaid (not injured) player in the league!
29M$/2years...
Elton Brand does not cosign on this.Honnestly, it's hard to refuse this player, but that contract???
That's the only question I had (I wadn't alone)...
He is maybe the most overpaid (not injured) player in the league!
29M$/2years...
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