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That would put the Spurs at 66 million in salaries for only 8 players next season. That's not happening.
The trade would be Iguodala and Dalembert for Jefferson, Bonner, Mason and Ratliff.
Jefferson being two years left while the rest are off the books after this year.
Iguodala's contract is 5 years at 12.2mil and Dalembert is 2 years at 12mil.
Just realizing now after physically posting you the numbers that Dalembert would kill the Spurs' cap space without knowing how well Iguodala would actually fit in this system.
If the Spurs would want to resign Manu...this deal would make that near impossible.
That would put the Spurs at 66 million in salaries for only 8 players next season. That's not happening.
Like last off-season??.....
That AI for Dalembert was just an idea. Very likely it doesn't happen but it is possible. 66 million for 8 players is possible.Tim Duncan: $22.2 million
Tony Parker: $12.6 million
Manu Ginobili: $10.7 million
Richard Jefferson: $14.2 million
TOTAL: $59.7 million
Everyone can get this idea out of their heads real quick. This team GAVE away a guy they had been fighting like dogs for 5 years to sign over a lousy $3 million and all of a sudden they're going to go with a $70+ million payroll? This thread is nothing more than SpursFan masturbation.
Just because they went deep into tax territory this offseason doesn't mean that it is now going to become an annual event.
No, it's not. How do plan to fill the rest of the roster? With a bunch of D-League players and corpse vet minimums?That AI for Dalembert was just an idea. Very likely it doesn't happen but it is possible. 66 million for 8 players is possible.
I never said it was an annual event. But their last big trade for Jefferson indicated Spurs were going deep into the lux the following two seasons for sure. As Spurs were going for the All in" approach during Duncan's last few years.
Even Pop indicated before the season that they got Jefferson to play with Tony, Manu and Tim the next two years. And that Jefferson's addition wasn't at the expense of them letting go of Manu when his contract went out.
And resigning Manu for 7-8 million over 3 years wouldn't effect our MLE or LLE.
So Spurs would be looking at 9 players at roughly 73-75 million with our MLE, LLE, vet minimum and the draft to fill out the roster.
There is a big difference in keeping Jefferson and making the trade you are suggesting...like a 10 million dollar difference. After the FO has rolled the dice on Jefferson and had it burn them do you honestly think they will go 10 million further to delve into the unknown again?
Jefferson is the biggest money waste, time waste, buzz kill asshole in Spurs history. Front office should have known better than to think a joto would bring the balls to the team.
This blog here (possibly the best in the Truehoop network and run by one of the shrewdest basketball minds on the internet - Kevin Arnovitz) says what the Clips are mostly looking for the expiring of Camby -
In other words, if the Clips are looking at Luol Deng/ Tayshaun Prince.. they might as well look at Richard Jefferson ..is all I am saying..There’s no question that Camby is going to be pursued quite heavily by playoff contenders and teams looking to enter the free agency race, but what will the Clippers be asking in return for Camby?
For as valuable as he would be to a contender, his expiring contract makes him just as valuable to the Clippers. If the Clippers let Camby’s contract expire, they’ll have plenty of cap room to be a major player in this summer’s market. With Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin and Chris Kaman all locked up through the 2011 season, it seems logical that the Clippers would target a small forward to round out the starting lineup. Although Al Thornton has made improvements this year, it’s tough to argue that he meshes properly with the other four starters. Rasual Butler was supposed to be the answer at small forward, but with his jumper on the back of the milk carton he’s basically a glorified Mardy Collins. The reasoning behind the Butler signing was correct, but Butler hasn’t proven himself to be the outside shooter required to fill the role. So where should the Clippers go from here?
Do they let Camby’s contract expire, then make a run at a Joe Johnson type player in free agency? As enticing as that sounds, there’s the very real possibility that the Clippers aren’t able to secure a big name free agent and are left in the cold without anything to show for Camby. Would securing a better version of Butler during the season, like a Tayshaun Prince, be the way to go? If the Clippers have a chance to acquire someone on a long term deal from a team desperate for cap space, like a Luol Deng, should they take it? Any way you slice it, letting Camby’s contract expire is a serious gamble, as there will undoubtedly be plenty of attractive offers the Clippers would have to pass on.
So where exactly does LeBron James fit into this? Well, there’s gambling, and then there’s putting your life savings into lottery tickets. What are the chances of LeBron joining the Clippers? Close to zero, but they are zero unless the Clippers are able to cut salary, which could only really be accomplished by moving Kaman or Baron. That raises a whole different question altogether: Can Camby be used as the asset to unload a more undesirable contract?
So if they didn't make that trade and stood pat, they would be able to resign Bonner, Mason and Manu without it effecting their MLE.
Say they resigned Manu for 3 years 26 million.
That would put the Spurs at 64 million for 8 players. Spurs would be wise to go ahead and resign Bonner and Mason to short term decent deals because the Spurs aren't guaranteed anything in free agency with the MLE. Resigning those two would also give the Spurs more flexibility and less holes to fill with the MLE and LLE. That 10 million difference that would be spent on Dalembert for just one more year would be used on Bonner and Mason instead.
If Spurs chose not to sign Bonner and Mason, Spurs would be put in a more vulnerable position going into free agency with only the MLE and LLE to work with.
With the additions of Dalembert and AI and the resigning of Manu in the off-season the Spurs would be looking at 9 players on the roster going into the off-season at 74-75 million. With the MLE, LLE, and vet minimum to add pieces to the roster.
Phili trade with Jefferson would put the Spurs next year roster at $78.5mill. That's without re-signing Ginobili.
However...for purposes of helping the team win at least one more championship while Duncan can continue to effectively contribute...the window of opportunity lies in next season if this team can't do it this year.
How important is that to the team? Mr. Holt, Pop, Duncan?
We as fans think it's important every year. But reality is...after next season Duncan might be a true s of himself even after this season.
Dalembert is that quasi central big that would make things easier for Duncan. Iguodala, from what we know in Phili, is a premier wing of the league.
But this deal would all but seal the fate of the Spurs in who they would HAVE to be content with for the next two years in chasing that one last le while Duncan is on the team.
That is D.J Foster's opinion. Not the Clippers.
That's wrong.
Well.. I can always count on DJ Foster's opinion on what the Clips want than your opinion (or even mine...except mine is closer to DJF's).
...and you actually believe they would do this?
You want a happy meal for having D.J Foster's opinion? I will paypal you 5 dollars.
For one more year yeah I do believe they would do such a thing. They proved this was a 2 year plan once the Jefferson trade went through.
Dalembert and Parker would be off the books after next year leaving the Spurs at around 40 million if they still had Igoudala and Duncan.
Well.. I don't like ad hominem stuff in making my arguments.. So I will let your statement pass.
The thing is ..it is way more prudent to expect the Spurs to make a run at the Clips' Camby and them mulling over the offer with positive intent than..a stupid case for getting a longish contract like Iguodala's + Dalembert's (when the Sixers are easily getting better offers from elsewhere and when the Spurs' owner would surely want to avoid such onerous contracts).
A stupid case was a proposal just like yours. It wasn't praised and worshiped by any means over Camby's expiring.
I just think Spurs best chance at Camby is offering expiring contracts and a 1st round pick and or Splitter instead of Jefferson.
My bad. I forgot to subtract Jefferson's salary.
64mil would be the salary withut Manu re-signing.
Sorry.
The Clips will prefer to pass if they are offered expirings for Camby's expiring surely.
And since serious Clips fans have written about what their team intends to do- fitting well with my idea of giving what the Clips need for Camby's expiring.. there is as much possibility for my proposal to go through ..which will only benefit the Spurs.
AIg + SamD is never happening simply because the contracts are super onerous.
Again...I seriously doubt they delve into the unknown yet again with even more cash involved when they just got burned. Your trade is about as likely to happen as a Lebron trade.
It was one blog by D.J I forgot his name already. Calm down. I know the Clippers wouldn't want JUST expirings for Camby. Splitter and the 1st round pick would be the incentive for the Clippers to agree to the deal. Not just the expiring contracts.
You make it sound like Dalembert and Igoudala both have max deals that last through 2020. Dalembert's salary would be only for one year. After that year Spurs would be back at 40 million if the trade went through. At that point Spurs will probably be in rebuilding mode and could easily offer Igoudala in 2012 for expirings to a contender if 40 million on the books for 2011-2012 is too much for you.
Again it's a one year gamble. They are going to be over the luxury tax as it is if they stand pat. This was and is a two year plan.
Any proposal is unlikely to happen just because so many factors have to go into a trade on both sides and offers from other teams have an effect on it too.
Its certainly more likely to happen than a Spurs LeBron trade like you suggest.
A 10 million dollar one year gamble. You seem to be forgetting that.
Has anybody watched Camby play lately? I don't understand why so many folks around here think he will improve our team so much. His rotation D is horrible, his lateral movement is gone, and more times than not he's caught reaching for the ball against guards instead of keeping his hands up using his length. Pass.
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