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Another "Dime" article regarding Caron Butler's defense.
http://dimemag.com/2009/02/whos-bett...yshaun-prince/
It's actually at 79.6 million...but yeah, it's close.
The Spurs are looking at paying around 10 million this year. Let's kill all the BS and see how the numbers really look for next season if they do the trade.
According to projections, the tax threshold is going to be around 66 million next season. Adding Iggy and Sammy(25.2 million) and subtracting Jefferson(15.2 million) puts the Spurs on the hook for 66.9 million for 8 players. Say we re-sign Manu at a reasonable amount...8 million a year..that number for next season is now up to 74.9 million.
Now, we will fill out the rest of the roster to 14 and leave one open just to be conservative. To be even more conservative, we will say that the Spurs use the MLE on two players and Vet minimum on the rest while saving the LLE. With the tax going down I will shoot in the dark and say the MLE is around 5.3 million next season. 825,000 is the number used for Bogans and Ratliff, so that will be our vet minimum.
Next year's salaries with Iggy, Sammy, and Manu - 74.9 million
MLE for two players - 5.3 million
Vet minimum for 3 players - 2.4 million
Total conservative salary estimate - 82.6 million
Total luxury tax paid by the Spurs next season - 16.6 million
Now remember, this is a very conservative estimate. I didn't use the LLE, split the MLE and left a roster spot open. The tax number could easily climb close to 20 million if we sign another player or use the LLE.
So I say all of this to say what I originally said....the Spurs are not making this trade for obvious financial reasons.
Another "Dime" article regarding Caron Butler's defense.
http://dimemag.com/2009/02/whos-bett...yshaun-prince/
Iguodala on the move?
Marc J. Spears
The Philadelphia 76ers are still evaluating their trade options with swingman Andre Iguodala. One source says the Cleveland Cavaliers remain interested in Iguodala, but might need a third team to get a deal done since the 76ers don’t seem to want center Zydrunas Ilgauskas. While Houston Rockets guard Tracy McGrady’s expiring contract continues to draw interest, his hefty $23 million salary would make him hard to deal for players like Iguodala ($12.2 million this season) and Ilgauskas ($11.5 million) in a three-way deal.
If the Sixer's are set on trading Iguodala...I would sure hope the Spurs would do everything within their power to get him.
Iguodala on the Cavs would almost mean automatic le IMO.
And if that were to happen I would think the Knicks would be out of contention for Lebron thus maybe this trade proposal:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5429979
Tip-ins
Marc J. Spears
…An NBA source said the Sacramento Kings are open to moving guard Kevin Martin and swingman Francisco Garcia prior to the trade deadline while the Chicago Bulls are still exploring options to trade forward Tyrus Thomas. The Bulls, however, have no interest in adding any player that could negatively affect their salary-cap space for free agency this summer.
…One NBA executive said he wouldn’t be surprised if the Washington Wizards don’t make a major move before the trade deadline because of the uncertainty about their ownership situation and Gilbert Arenas’ future. Still, that hasn’t stopped the other Wizards’ players from fretting about their own futures. The players think only one of them is safe from a trade: Mike Miller.
…Phoenix Suns forward Amar’e Stoudemire said he expects the team to make him another contract offer soon, but rival team executives insist that hasn’t kept the Suns from trying to move him. “I know they’re fielding offers and I would be surprised if he isn’t dealt before the deadline,” one executive said. …While the Nuggets are still looking at ways to add another veteran reserve big man, it seems less and less likely they will get something done before the trade deadline because of financial concerns. Nuggets coach George Karl and his players seem OK with standing pat. “I’m not pushing any pressure or stress that we have to get a player. But I think if we’re smart and we keep the phones open, if it’s a player that I will play, then I will be positive,” Karl said. Said Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin: “I’ll rock out with it. I’m fine with what we got.”
The first article talks about how he broke up the play his coach drew up, took the ball at the top of the key, dribbled out time, drove to the bucket to throw up an impossible shot, and lost the game for the Wizards. The coach and his entire team were yelling at him from the sidelines and on the court as this transpired. After the game, he acted like nothing wrong happened. He said he "mistimed it." This is the guy you call coachable?
But hey, if you don't believe me, read it from a Wizards fan. This article, le'd "dissecting Caron Butler's inefficient offense" is the nicest article on him you'll find from a Wiz fan. Most of them do blame Butler, along with Arenas, for just about all their problems this year.
What about Chris Webber? You like him right? He went off on Butler, calling him "selfish, selfish, selfish"
Nice breakdown.
I agree with everything but the conclusion. Your numbers are for the most part correct. My point is, Peter Holt would be willing to spend 82.6 million if he is spending 79.6 already. I don't think the financial sitaution would be that dire after this deal, particularly since I think Manu will sign for more in the 6-7 range but long-term rather than the 8-9 range and short term.
Last edited by the crimson blur; 02-05-2010 at 02:20 PM.
I hear ya. But this only if the Spurs would seriously consider resigning Manu.
Would they if they had Iguodala and Dalembert?
Antawn Jamison. I would rather have Jamison over Butler.
why would not play MASON at all does any body
Butler has been a very poor defender this year and he was average last year..he's pretty much in the same scenario as Jefferson was from a defensive standpoint..both guys were very good defenders during the 1st half of their careers, but they no longer have the ability at this point..
Offensively, Butler can create a lot better, but I question how he would fit with Jefferson on the team too..
Jamison doesn't interest me at all, despite a lot of Spurs fans wanting him..he's old and one of the worst defenders in the NBA..
In an all-in, win now scenario Jamison's age is of absolute no consequence. Saying he is one of the worst defenders in the NBA is nonsense and really deflates your credibility.
The Wizards are not a defensively oriented team, but even so, Jamison is not a bad defender. He plays with a lot of heart and hustle which is the foundation for an above average NBA defender. He could flourish as a defender in a different system.
More to the point, I never said I thought the Spurs should trade for him, I just prefer him over Butler.
I'll introduce this scenario based on responses.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5434006
Ginobili, IMO, would be the trade kicker that would make this happen.
After this season, the Spurs could then make an offer to Ginobili.
Would Ginobili accept less to play for the Spurs again if the chance of winning another le would be greatly enhanced or would he accept a better offer to make more money?
Other teams would certainly want him. Especially a contending team. But there is no gaurantee the Spurs would be able to resign him next year anyway.
Perhaps him being a catalyst to helping the Spurs land Iguodala and Dalembert would be the best for the team instead of having him play out the rest of the season on the Spurs without a gaurantee he will be returning next year.
I still don't understand why the Sixers would take on RJ's ridiculous contract... or any other team for that matter...
Because it ends in 2011 which is closer than the five years on iggys contract and the 2 years I believe left on dalemberts.
Last edited by 5in10; 02-05-2010 at 04:34 PM.
But Iggy's contract is really good for his age and what he gives you. To move him I would think they would want instant cap relief, not to wait for another year with an underachieving RJ.
Well maybe they don't mind the tanking for jwall sweepstakes and whatever lotto pick they can get the following year?
If we get any Butler I want this one.
hhheeeeyyyyy wait a second. Did we already get him?
No he ate him and stole his jersey.If we get any Butler I want this one.
hhheeeeyyyyy wait a second. Did we already get him?
Exactly.
Matt Bonner got that contract after being totally out of the rotation all playoffs long. That wasn't normal or within reason.
Therefore it now is reasonable that the Spurs will once again bid against nobody and lock up Bonner, and 4-5 a year feasible.
After all, if you look at the stats . . . he is the Prince of Plus/Minus!
Don't forget the dropping of the tax threshold. It's going to drop almost 4 million and the Spurs would spend 3 million more than this year. As far as Manu goes, he's probably going to get more than 6-7 million a year. Even if they were to knock a million off and go with 7 million it still puts the Spurs at over 15 million in tax payments. That is far from chump change for a relatively "poor" owner.
LOL have you actually seen Jamison play defense?..he's beyond horrible..watch any game or go to any Wizards forum and ask Wizards fans about his defense..he's a huge liability and might be the worst defender on a team full of bad defenders..
His age also does matter, since it's taken away his lateral quickness and vertical ability on defense..he was always a bad defender, but his age has made him even worse..he's worse than Bonner defensively, and that's something we can't afford..
I know a lot of posters here were high on CDR during the draft, would any of you be interested in him now
Nets No Longer Consider CDR A Core Player
Nets forward Chris Douglas-Roberts lost his starting spot to Jarvis Hayes earlier this week.
Douglas-Roberts is no longer considered a core player by New Jersey, sources told the New York Daily News.
The forward's outspokenness has annoyed the Nets.
Douglas-Roberts was averaging 17.2 points under coach Lawrence Frank, but has struggled since he was fired on Dec. 30.
He has been linked to the Grizzlies in rumors.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...a_core_player/
CDR would make me cry with delight.
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