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[Leetonidas]

So you're saying Parker isn't the product of a system when his backup averages more PPG as the starting PG than he does?

Why do you consistently overlook the fact that Parker has been injured all year? I notice you haven't responded to any of my posts because they totally on yours. And, OMFG, Hill averages a whopping .9 more points than Parker when he starts. Too small of a sample size anyway. Did you think maybe if Hill was injured and Parker had to play more that he would probably be scoring more too?

[himat]

No. Should I post TP vs. Billups head-to-head stats?

Whatever post the stats, but hopefully Spurs drop to the 7th seed so we can see Chauncey abuse Tony Parker.

But let me guess he is injured right now right??? He will be worn out by playoff time.

But remember that injuries are a part of the game. If a player is injury prone a less superior player can be better than him because at least he plays for his team on gameday.

I don't think Tony Parker could lead his team past the Lakers like Chauncey did a couple days ago without his best teammate. (Denver had no Melo so SA would have no Tim Duncan).

Post the stats though. I am curious.

[Leetonidas]

At least you back up 5 and 6, but just a "no" to Derrick Rose? He made the all star game for a reason this year. The Bulls started off very slow so maybe that skews your judgment but just watch the kid play. He takes over games with his drives to the basket.

The main argument for Tony Parker being an elite PG is his speed and his ability to get to the basket. Derrick Rose might be just as good as Tony Parker in that category already.

I agree with Nash. I am not a big fan of his either. Just wanted to prove my point.

But Rondo vs Parker is pretty debatable. Both have similar offensive games. (Poor shooters but superior drivers), but I think that Rondo is way better on defense.

I agree that Rose is a great PG and he will eventually be better than Parker but as of right now, I would definitely take Parker over Rose if they're both 100%.

[Frank Lucas]

Why do you consistently overlook the fact that Parker has been injured all year? I notice you haven't responded to any of my posts because they totally on yours. And, OMFG, Hill averages a whopping .9 more points than Parker when he starts. Too small of a sample size anyway. Did you think maybe if Hill was injured and Parker had to play more that he would probably be scoring more too?

If Parker is one of the best PG's in the NBA and the best offensive player on his team, his backup shouldn't be able to match his production when he fills for him as the starter, let alone average more points than he does.

[Leetonidas]

Probably because he's been injured all year. The last 5 games or so before he hurt his ankle he was looking good and averaging 20+.

[Leetonidas]

You can say whatever you want, but George Hill is not a PG. The only reason he plays backup PG is because the Spurs' system doesn't require a true pass-first PG with Tony out and he is 6'3" and oh yeah, they have no one else and Mason ing sucks ass. Scoring more points in a couple games doesn't make Hill a better PG than Parker, it means that with Parker's 17 points absent, George was able to play more and have more opportunities to score.

[Frank Lucas]

Probably because he's been injured all year. The last 5 games or so before he hurt his ankle he was looking good and averaging 20+.

so the only games that count are the only games when he plays well

[Leetonidas]

Speaking of which, you suck at trolling, at least TRY. You're constantly flip flopping, only answering small sections of posts and completely ignoring everything else. First it was Tony Parker isn't a top 5 PG, then it was Derrick Rose is better and Parker couldn't lead the Bulls to a better record, and now it's George Hill is better than Parker. You fail.

[Frank Lucas]

You can say whatever you want, but George Hill is not a PG. The only reason he plays backup PG is because the Spurs' system doesn't require a true pass-first PG with Tony out and he is 6'3" and oh yeah, they have no one else and Mason ing sucks ass. Scoring more points in a couple games doesn't make Hill a better PG than Parker, it means that with Parker's 17 points absent, George was able to play more and have more opportunities to score.

He was able to replace Parker's production. Plain and simple.

[Leetonidas]

so the only games that count are the only games when he plays well

Which is exactly what you're doing with George Hill, genius.

[Leetonidas]

He was able to replace Parker's production. Plain and simple.

In the points category? Yes. But overall? no. If you put this year's George Hill in place of Parker last year, the Spurs probably miss the playoffs.

[Frank Lucas]

Speaking of which, you suck at trolling, at least TRY. You're constantly flip flopping, only answering small sections of posts and completely ignoring everything else. First it was Tony Parker isn't a top 5 PG, then it was Derrick Rose is better and Parker couldn't lead the Bulls to a better record, and now it's George Hill is better than Parker. You fail.

Never said George Hill was better than Parker. The other two arguments are the same thing, Rose is a top 5 PG, Parker isn't, therefore, Rose > Parker.

[Frank Lucas]

In the points category? Yes. But overall? no. If you put this year's George Hill in place of Parker last year, the Spurs probably miss the playoffs.

When you put last year's George Hill in place of Parker last year, they went 7-3.

[himat]

Look I just think that Tony Parker at best is a top 5 PG, but like you guys have mentioned he is hurt sometimes. But that's not anyone else's fault and that makes him at times not a top PG.

So to me that makes him an All Star caliber PG, not an elite PG. But why the does my opinion matter right?

[JJ Hickson]

Odd timing thread since he just got back from injury and dropped 14/14/4 steals in 28 minutes with only 1 turnover on 50% shooting.

He did finish top 8 in MVP voting last year and has a finals MVP as well. Odd timing indeed.

Speaking of odd timing, how's the puberty coming? Have you finally hit it yet? It must suck having the voice of a 12 year old girl this late in life.

[Leetonidas]

When you put last year's George Hill in place of Parker last year, they went 7-3.

Small sample size. Just like that year that Ray Allen got injured for the Sonics and Flip Murray filled in and they had a good record while Murray averaged 20+ or whatever it was. But does anyone in their right mind think that Murray > Allen? Exactly. What about when the Hornets were sucking early on then Paul got injured and Collison started getting them wins? Do you think the Collison > Paul too?

[Muser]

When you put last year's George Hill in place of Parker last year, they went 7-3.

Odom replaced Kobe last night and the Lakers won in Portland for the first time in 5 years!! Holy Odom > Kobe!

[Frank Lucas]

Small sample size. Just like that year that Ray Allen got injured for the Sonics and Flip Murray filled in and they had a good record while Murray averaged 20+ or whatever it was. But does anyone in their right mind think that Murray > Allen? Exactly. What about when the Hornets were sucking early on then Paul got injured and Collison started getting them wins? Do you think the Collison > Paul too?

I think Chris Paul getting injured allowed other players on the team to get some touches and in addition showed that CP3 is a tad overrated. And once again, I never said Hill > Parker, that argument was meant to show how Parker is the product of a system.

[DPG21920]

Whatever post the stats, but hopefully Spurs drop to the 7th seed so we can see Chauncey abuse Tony Parker.

But let me guess he is injured right now right??? He will be worn out by playoff time.

But remember that injuries are a part of the game. If a player is injury prone a less superior player can be better than him because at least he plays for his team on gameday.

I don't think Tony Parker could lead his team past the Lakers like Chauncey did a couple days ago without his best teammate. (Denver had no Melo so SA would have no Tim Duncan).

Post the stats though. I am curious.

You don't really ever see Billups abuse Parker, especially not recently. If Billups is so great, why did DET trade him? Why do the vast majority of your fan base say they feared TP because no one could stop him?

TP lead his team last year to the same record as Denver with Billups and that was with a hobbled TD and Bonner/Mason/Finley all playing significant minutes.

I don't care if he is injured right now, the fact is that TP has overwhelmingly out played Billups overall and head-to-head in recent years.

Huh? Parker has guarded him over the years more than 90% of the time. Bowen defended him sometimes late in games. I'm not sure where you get that about Manu ... maybe Manu has played like 1% of the time against Billups when Parker is on the bench and the shooting guard is a worse matchup. In the 2005 Finals, the matchups were almost always Parker on Billups, Bowen on Rip and Manu on Prince.

And in recent games, Parker has done very good work defensively against Billups. In their last eight matchups, Billups has shot 4-for-10, 5-for-13, 3-for-12, 3-for-10, 3-for-10, 7-for-17, 4-for-14 and 6-for-17 for a total of 35-for-103 (33.9%). Parker used to have trouble with Billups but he's figured him out in recent years.

If Parker ever played defense on Billups as bad as Hill played today, there'd be about 15 "Trade Parker" threads.

[Muser]

And in recent games, Parker has done very good work defensively against Billups. In their last eight matchups, Billups has shot 4-for-10, 5-for-13, 3-for-12, 3-for-10, 3-for-10, 7-for-17, 4-for-14 and 6-for-17 for a total of 35-for-103 (33.9%). Parker used to have trouble with Billups but he's figured him out in recent years.

Damn, Billups has been TP's .

[DPG21920]

Speaking of odd timing, how's the puberty coming? Have you finally hit it yet? It must suck having the voice of a 12 year old girl this late in life.

I cannot control the voice God gave me, but how do you explain being such a re ed ?

[Frank Lucas]

Which is exactly what you're doing with George Hill, genius.

No, I'm only talking about games when George Hill replaced Parker. I didn't only include games when George Hill scored 20 or more points.

[HarlemHeat37]

The JJ Hickson troll is also a proven racist..classless POS..

[DPG21920]

Trolls are the most made thing you can do. Especially if you are a guy. Who gets on the internet and post stupid under multiple names? Unless you are being funny, trolling is about as lame as lying about sleeping with a girl. Which Hickson and Frank clearly have not done.

Unless they get girls drunk on "jungle juice".

[Leetonidas]

No, I'm only talking about games when George Hill replaced Parker. I didn't only include games when George Hill scored 20 or more points.

Those games are the most important because it shows how TP put the team on his back after TD was a s of his former self and Manu was out for the season.