Agree. With the way the Spurs are trending, these picks are getting closer to the lottery, outside shot at this year, even.
The Spurs shouldn't be trying to buy mental midgets for draft picks, they should be selling anything and everything to free up cap space and stockpile draft picks. In this league you need a star, and the Spurs don't have one and will never land a free agent star. They have to watch the college+overseas games and tank for the right star. Have to lose now to get better later. Only way it will ever work.
Wow. That pretty much would make it TT or Ginobili next summer.Bulls management is telling teams they expect to take the bidding right to the Feb. 18 deadline. The Bulls want to avoid the possibility of Thomas accepting a $6.2 million qualifying offer on the eve of this summer’s free agency, which would deliver a major dent to their salary-cap space. Thomas, 23, will be a restricted free agent this summer.
the Spurs won't hand out an unprotected 1st rounder.(well at least I assume this)
but they will need to sacrifice something, if they want to get something done.
next years draft doesn't look that good (not bad either, pretty deep with decent bigs. low on star potential though)
on the one hand we are desperate to see at least something happen, on the other hand, the miraculous power of expiring contracts ends at the moment another team offers such contracts as well. and there are tons of expiring contracts out there this year.
we can discuss, if TT is in fact worth a #20 pick.
question is: if he isn't worth the risk of sacrifice such a pick, is he worth the deal at all???
simple answer: No.
And this method has been such a huge success for the spurs lately huh? (see: Ian Mahinmi).
Thomas is 24 years old, former 4th pick in the draft just a few years ago and has a huge upside. He'd be undoubtedly still starting as the bulls' power forward if Taj Gibson hadn't literally come out of nowhere and took his starting job.
With some coaching and discipline and the raw physical tools Thomas already possesses he could easily develop into a hugely successful player. The guy already has a track record of proven results (see: last year's playoffs).
If this doesn't scream out "opportunity" I don't know what does. It's an opportunity only a "mental midget" would ignore IMO.
You have to wonder which of these two offers the Bulls would choose:
Spurs: Thomas and Salmons for expirings plus second round pick
Another team: Thomas for expirings plus first round pick
It's hard to say, but I think they'd at least consider the deal where they get more cap space for next year.
If the bidding price is taking Salmons or Hinrich AND giving a first rounder, I don't think I'd want the Spurs to bid that high.
Mahinmi was a very late round pick taken as a project flyer by a team coming off a le with superstars in their primes. That's not what I am talking about.And this method has been such a huge success for the spurs lately huh? (see: Ian Mahinmi).
Thomas is 24 years old, former 4th pick in the draft just a few years ago and has a huge upside. He'd be undoubtedly still starting as the bulls' power forward if Taj Gibson hadn't literally come out of nowhere and took his starting job.
With some coaching and discipline and the raw physical tools Thomas already possesses he could easily develop into a hugely successful player. The guy already has a track record of proven results (see: last year's playoffs).
If this doesn't scream out "opportunity" I don't know what does. It's an opportunity only a "mental midget" would ignore IMO.
The Spurs history of success has been on sucking hard, getting the high pick, and making the most out of it by taking a huge talent. That's the only way this team can succeed since no big time free agent will choose to play in SA.
TT has potential and upside, but he has a ton of baggage. He's mentally deficient, makes a lot of mistakes, has a low bball IQ, and is overly emotional to the point of detrement to the team environment. He is a bust as the #4 pick and was only taken that high after a hot streak in the NCAA tourney. Wasting cap room and a high 1st rounder plus talent for that would be incredibly stupid given he won't be the difference between a le shot this year or not.
If the Spurs want long term success again they will have to sacrifice the short term now and try to get as many future assets as possible for the old assets (Manu) they have now. Then it's a matter of building a solid team based on properly applying those picks and looking for the next superstar talent to come along for the taking and making a play for it. It's how they got Duncan, and it's the only way to go forward.
So what you're telling us is you're giving up on this year and the rest of the Duncan era and suggesting the spur start trading away all their assets starting with Manu Ginobili and start tanking and hoping to get a lucky lottery pick as a preferred strategy of future success? Do I have that summed up correctly?
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2...-chicago-apr19
Chicago Bulls playoff newcomers did just fine
John Salmons, Tyrus Thomas, Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah all come up big against Boston Celtics
Tyrus Thomas scored six of his 16 points in overtime, including the game-winning jumper, after playing mere spot minutes in the Bulls’ 2007 playoff run.
Hmm. It worked before.
just ing use Ian, I don't see a point in trading for TT. They both are same players in almost every single aspects of the game. May be Ian fouls and still learning the game. But give him time and he will turn out to be a better product floor. , Ian started playing basketball at the age of 16 or 18 so pop give him a break. Pop has been coaching for years and he still can't coach. Give this guy a little more time on the court and see what comes out and if nothing is to be worked he can go away next year. I don't see how TT will help this team at all.
Reading some of the rumors....portland offered outlaw to chicago for TT....the bobcats offered acie law...it looks like there will be a lot better offers than what the Spurs can offer for tt
Pop is wed to his strategy of small-ball that's why Thomas is the perfect fit. Or would you rather he keep playing the Jefferson/Finley combo that is currently sucking major ass?
Giving up on the Duncan era is continuing to underachieve with bad pieces that don't fit, and adding another bad piece that had one good 1st round series 2 years ago but has fallen off into an emotional baby since would be giving up too.
I'd shop Manu for the right mix including a 1st rounder if available. Timmy is a damn good center these days but no longer an elite player. He needs to be surrounded with youth and talent, and going into next season with two 1st round picks (a lotto pick and another team's pick) plus a rested and healthy Parker as the focal point plus some veteran free agents is the best way to start moving forward.
The spurs have lots of pieces. young pieces at that. Hairston is younger more athletic Bogans. Mahinmi can develop if he is given legit time against legit opposing bench/starting players, just look at blair and blair has a major height disadvantage and still produces well.
Thomas came up big in last year's playoffs, not two years ago. Thomas would not be a "bad fit". His energy, athleticism and shot blocking would be fit seamlessly into what the spurs need right now. He would have not 1, not 2, but 3 solid veteran big men to whisper in his ear about how to act and play like a professional. And he has a proven track record of success in the playoffs. What more do you want? The guy's pissed off that he lost his job to a rookie who's not even as good as him. I think I'd be pissed off too if that happened.
Trading away Manu for raw draft picks and hoping they can contribute enough to be able contend next year is just utter lunacy. This team doesn't need a major overhaul it needs a few tweaks.
It seems that ESPN's Chad Ford also agrees to the viability of such a trade between the Spurs and Bulls. No word on whether talks are active:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...deWatch-100211
3. Bulls-Spurs
Chicago gets: Matt Bonner, Roger Mason, Michael Finley, draft rights to Tiago Splitter
San Antonio gets: John Salmons, Tyrus Thomas
Would Chicago do it?
On the surface, it might seem that the Bulls would get killed in this deal because the Spurs would be getting the two best players in the trade.
But the Bulls have good reason to move Salmons and Thomas, neither of whom is in the team's long-term plans: They want the cap space such a trade would provide. Chicago can set itself up to be a serious player in free agency this summer, given the appeal of the market and the foundation of Derrick Rose, Luol Deng and Joakim Noah.
Bonner and Mason, who have expiring contracts, could contribute this season, and Splitter is a good prospect who could come in and help the Bulls in the middle next season. As a former first-round draft pick who has established himself in Europe, he might fit the bill if the Bulls are looking to get talent and/or picks in return for Thomas.
And then, if they can pull off trade No. 4 (see below), the Bulls could be in great position going into the summer shopping season. Chicago could be an attractive destination for the likes of James, Wade and Bosh or, at worst, players like Joe Johnson and David Lee.
Would San Antonio do it?
Maybe. The team needs immediate help, as they get older and fall behind the rest of the West. Both Salmons and Thomas would give the Spurs some younger legs, with Salmons also providing offensive punch and Thomas some defense and rebounding.
Thomas' problems in getting along with his coaches have been well-do ented, but perhaps he would respond better to a coach like Gregg Popovich and a veteran team led by Tim Duncan. If so, Thomas could become a huge asset to the Spurs over the long haul.
The Spurs rarely make trades like this, but I can't think of a better one for them right now.
I should apply for a job as an analyst at ESPN.
No chance..why would the spurs pick up an additional contract of 5mil on offensive player like salmons for next season, have to come up with 6mil to keep thomas next season, and oh ya, go ahead and take the spurs top prospect. This madness has got to stop, cant wait for feb 18.
According to Yahoo Sports: the Knicks, Kings, Nuggets, Hornets, and Spurs have talked
to the Bulls about Thomas. The Bulls want expirings and a 1st rd. pick.
I read somewhere else that said Wade would consider signing with the Bulls this summer if
they sign another max-type free agent (according to someone close to Wade).
I. for one, have come around on the idea of adding the rights to Splitter to this trade offer. With the other proposed deals, that seemingly include 1st round picks from other teams, on the table and the sudden interest in Thomas, I'd much rather part with HIS rights, than give away ANOTHER 1st round pick. If that's what it takes to do the deal, GET 'ER DONE.
Because it has been said that Holt is willing to pay the tax this year and next year. Salmons / Thomas =
So we pay players like thomas who has done nothing 6+ mil and give up a 7 footer who is the same age and could get paid the same? Dumbest idea ever!!Because it has been said that Holt is willing to pay the tax this year and next year. Salmons / Thomas =
The Bulls are certainly in the driver seat on this - especially now that more suitors have come to the table. If that's true and the Bulls are holding tight for a first rounder, don't give away the 2010 pick, offer up the 2011 pick.
In fact, isn't there some NBA rule that prohibits a team from trading away 1st round picks in consecutive years?
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