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The majority of the time, Shaq didn't play against a formidable front line. when he played against Portland or SA, he wasn't "superman" - for a lack of a better term. It was Kobe, not Shaq that dropped 45 points on TD and Robinson in the Alamodome. Next thing you know, Bruce Lee Bowen is in a Spurs uniform.
Shaq was the best Laker in 2000, but from 2001 until present anyone with eyes would see that Kobe held that le.
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My sigs actually change automatically every 10 minutes or so.
There's no way Kobe was the player of the decade for the 2000s. I would say it's a toss up between Shaq and Duncan.
So everybody except Kobe's fans agree that it's a toss up between Tim and Shaq.
Say what you want about the winner, but the greatest PF of all time did not deserve that measly 8%. Do we need any more proof that the average fan is re ed?
OP, I agree entirely.
Some smart comments in this thread...
You speak the truth.
in aye. Much like most of the claptrap trundled out by the EGW denier lobby (i.e. based on nothing at all)
Have you read Simmons' Book of Basketball yet? Love him or hate him, he's spot on about Kobe (#9), as he is about Duncan (#7). Kobe is a pantheon player, but Duncan raises everyone on his team every time he steps on the court, and while Kobe sometimes does that now, he neglected to for a large part of the decade. He didn't understand The Secret, nor how to lead a team, until the last few years.
Also, Duncan did more with less - he never played with an All-NBA calibre player beside him, like say Shaq. And your accusation that Kobe is better in the clutch relies on the idea that clutch scoring is the only way to win games at the end, which is false because Duncan often won games in the clutch for his team without scoring much. When he needed to score he has though. You have a very selective memory if you fail to recall that.
You need to get up to date. Simmons already said in a recent interview that in the paperback version of his book there will be updates. Part of that will be him admitting he was wrong about Kobe and an addendum revising his take on Kobe. That's saying something because Simmons is far from objective. He is a die-hard Celtics fan and has been a big time Lakers and Kobe hater.
Tim and Shaq are clear 1 and 2 IMO.
No more re ed than the people here who would give Kobe 8% of the vote.
I would give him 0% of the vote 'cause he wasn't the player of the decade.
No, I don't need to do because none of what he's said indicates that he'd move Kobe above Duncan. He has said he'll revise his take on Kobe since he won a championship by playing more as a team guy, in line with what he said in a column after last year's Finals, but none of that changes the fact that for most of the decade Kobe played for himself before his team. Great player, not as influential as Duncan though.
Yeah you do need to get up with the times. You act like what Simmons wrote in his book is what he thinks now. Does it really matter what an asswipe like Simmons thinks anyway? The answer to that is No. He and Charles Barkley both ride the buffoon bus together.
Why is him using Bill Simmons to make his point any different from you using the ed writers from the websites and publications that named Kobe player of the decade to make yours?If you have to use Bill Simmons to make your point you've already lost the debate.
Duncan is doing a great job of raising the level of the team he has now.
Your third point...
It's unanimous, most people think Kobe was the best player of the decade, just accept it. Was Duncan even at the all-star game last night?
Simply put: Lakers and casual fans will name Kobe as the POTD. Spurs and hardcore fans will name Duncan.
Objectively speaking, all the stats, awards, and accomplishments point to Duncan as the better player. But it's obvious Laker homers won't consider those given the fact they can't concentrate on any one thing for more than a few seconds, preferring "moments" (e.g., the way you idiots will rave about Kobe being "clutch" when he's gone something like 5-18 but lucked in a game winner*) to an entire body of work.
*Oh, and before this season, Kobe was shooting 25% on game winners (including both playoffs and regular season) since the 03-04 season. The league average is 28%. Lol.
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.28% is really, really small. That's .0028, you know.
These are the same voters who keep making TMac and Iverson All Stars. WGAF?
.0028%!
At what point do we just switch to scientific notation?
Heh. brainlapse.
This is just nice. 2.8 x 10^-3%..0028%!
At what point do we just switch to scientific notation?
Yup that was a hilarious moment at TNT and it was great to see Shaq and Duncan get their due.
Those guys are 1a and 1b; imo Shaq was the most dominant big man the modern NBA has seen.
Kobe is a distant third and I disagree with TNT's thoughts that the next 5 years will be his...its easily Lebron's.
I said Duncan...with a slight edge but can see the argument for Kobe.
The morons are the ones that argue Shaq ... shaq peaked at the start of the decade (2000 MVP) was STILL dominant up to the 2004-2005 (loss to Detroit) season and has been on a sharp decline ever since.
If you can argue shaq I could argue Lebron IF Lebron had rings ... because both were pretty irrlevant for PART of the decade Lebron becuase he was too young at the start Shaq cuz he got fat and old for the middle and latter part of the decade ...
It was a two man race and you can't go wrong with Kobe or Duncan ...
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The thing that is HILARIOUS ..is some of the Kobe bashers say:
this is ridiculous because fans are ignorant.
Simmons is an eXPERT because he writes for ESPN so lets use the former BOSTON SPORTS GUY because his analysis impartial ... (sarcasm dripping)
BUT YES these are SOME of the same people who question Popovich's rotations, strategy and sanity.
So if voters/fansd are idiots ...why should Pop listen to your drivel?
People don't live in the planet, dumb dumb.
"It goes to show you the fans don't know anything" - Charles Barkley
lol @ TNT announcers ting on the fans and their ridiculous decision. LeBronze on second, timmy with only 8% and shaq with only 13%. Kobe with 57%..... Stop with this fan voting for everything please, casual basketball fans are the dumbest mother ers in the planet
His book has Kobe at #15 and Tim at #7. In his column he has said he will update it to Kobe at #9 based on whats happened since his book was done.
Only one player in the NBA made both an All-NBA team and an All-Defense team in every year between 2000 and 2009 -- Tim Duncan.
That the same guy was the vital cog on three le teams, that his team was a perennial contender for the le in each of the other years, that he won 2 MVPs (and finished 2nd twice, 4th twice and 5th once), and that he never played with a perennial all-star during that span (only Tony Parker, who is never mistaken for an NBA legend, made more than 1 All-Star team as a Duncan teammate during the decade; only Parker and Ginobili (once each) made an All-NBA team) strikes me as a pretty solid argument for Duncan being the best player -- and certainly the singularly most consistent player -- of the last decade.
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