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  1. 02-16-2010 #26
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    With this stats and resume, how could anyone say he doesn't belong in the HOF. Sure he was a kook off the court, but that's besides the point. He was an absolute maniac on the court and played his ass off from start to finish. He was a transcendent player.
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  2. 02-16-2010 #27
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    The DPOY argument seriously?
    Bowen and Battier got hosed ... by that Lebron finished 2nd last year ...
    C3P is the PG last year ...seriously? (all NBA yes)
    Kobe only plays defense when he wants to ...and he has been there many times ...

    You have to do better than that ...
    Watch the NBA Finals in '89 in or the Bulls 2nd 3 peat Rodman is all over the place flopping, clapping hustling making sold contributions ...but on defense ...meh. Kemp ted on him, Malone at times, so did too austin Car

    I love DEFENSE ...I just think Rodman's was overrated ...good still but not great IMHO
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  3. 02-16-2010 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanon
    Rodman averaged ~16 rebounds per game for almost a decade. Has any PF ever done this?
    While being only 6-7... and he started in the NBA in 86-87 in the age of 25. Quite late. Imagine he would have started with 21 (or so), developed his game a few seasons earlier and then start to think of his RPG he could have had. Just insane.
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  4. 02-16-2010 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanon
    Rodman averaged ~16 rebounds per game for almost a decade. Has any PF ever done this?
    this.

    Watch Dwight, hes playing as 7-0 steriod monster in a team of sucking rebounders and he not even scratch on Rodmans average numbers...
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  5. 02-16-2010 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muser
    at Kobe being a better defender that Rodman.
    Read my next post (when he wants) Kobe is sometimesy on defense but when locked in ...
    Look at young Kobe in the 3 peat years or when he plays Ray allen or someone he doesnt like or is measured against ...

    Rodman is overrated on defense ...so is Kobe but if i needed one stop Id take any of the guys on my list over Rodman INCLUDING kobe young Rodman was on his way ...
    Bulls rodman would leave his man to chase the board all the freaking time ...watch the tape yall seduced by hype ...
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  6. 02-16-2010 #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by namlook
    Kobe has been a great defender but if you consider Rodman's rebounding, no way is Kobe better than Rodman as an overall defensive player.
    Kobe has been a good defender yes, But Rodman in his prime was elite.
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  7. 02-16-2010 #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorSpur
    With this stats and resume, how could anyone say he doesn't belong in the HOF. Sure he was a kook off the court, but that's besides the point. He was an absolute maniac on the court and played his ass off from start to finish. He was a transcendent player.
    This.

    You do not have to like the person and his behaviour off the court, but he was just a freak on the court. If you like basketball, you have to respect his game.
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  8. 02-16-2010 #33
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    I'd take Rodman over Battier any day of the week too, if Rodman is overrated then Battier is overrated as .
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  9. 02-16-2010 #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by sefant77
    this.

    Watch Dwight, hes playing as 7-0 steriod monster in a team of sucking rebounders and he not even scratch on Rodmans average numbers...
    True. But the 90's sucked scoring and shooting numbers were down...
    If Dwight did nothing but dense and didnt help as much with shotblocks and just went after boards I bet he could get close even with the new rules ...
    Rodman bacame a stats chasing rebound how is that diffrent than Kobe gunning for 40 points?

    I like Rodman as a Piston best of all ... no ego ...no crazy rebounder numbers he was like a more defensive minded Lamar could give you a little of everything ...

    My dislike has NOTHING to do with off-court he was even a Laker ...fact remains ...the only thing elite about Rodman was his rebounding. His defense was early the rest he built off of reputation ...

    I do agree Battier is slightly overrated defensively but he tries hard studies hard and doesnt leave his man to hoard rebounds ...defense is his primary focus ...
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  10. 02-16-2010 #35
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    He's probably roadblocked by the HOF organization due to his personal life. On top of that he has an arguable case for HOF candidacy but many also argue the other way.

    I'm still waiting on this guy to get in :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muser
    Kobe has been a good defender yes, But Rodman in his prime was elite.
    I agree. Rodman was very special. In his prime Rodman was like a Bruce Bowen on defense. Then add that he was the best rebounder of his generation on top of that. Then add that he was a difference maker on championship teams. With those three things combined you have a Hall of Famer.
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  12. 02-16-2010 #37
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    Rodman in Detroit was elite ...defensively.
    Rebounding elite Spurs & Bulls
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  13. 02-16-2010 #38
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    I just checked the stats. Rodman had 158 games with 20+ rebounds.... just insane.
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  14. 02-16-2010 #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by namlook
    I agree. Rodman was very special. In his prime Rodman was like a Bruce Bowen on defense. Then add that he was the best rebounder of his generation on top of that. Then add that he was a difference maker on championship teams and with those three things combined you have a Hall of Famer.
    He had also a great metagame. He was able to piss off so many players on the court just with his style and energy and all...

    I will always remember Frank Brickowski, i almost felt sorry with that dude how he got completly owned

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRsHwtsWic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upoao...eature=related
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  15. 02-16-2010 #40
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    I will ket this go for a hile but I'll say this
    Mad props to him he is a winner.
    He turned his focus to rebounding (at the expense of defense) and people are actually arguing him for the HOF!!
    But Im sorry he was not even the best defender on his own team ... (Bulls)
    Rodman on Bulls is like artest on Lakers or Rox ...still a good defender but elite?
    Come on!!!
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  16. 02-16-2010 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakaluva
    You say that as if Rodman don't have 5 rings.
    No, being great at rebounding and having rings is not enough for the HOF ...IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sefant77
    He had also a great metagame. He was able to piss off so many players on the court just with his style and energy and all...

    I will always remember Frank Brickowski, i almost felt sorry with that dude how he got completly owned

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRsHwtsWic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upoao...eature=related
    This I agree with he was the ultimate "pest" later but far from elite later on ...
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  18. 02-16-2010 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakaluva
    Is being great at scoring, and having rings enough?
    Say what you want but i know you aint comapring Kobe and Rodman?

    Kobe is way better at defense than Rodman was at acoring even if you dont think kobe is at Rodmans level defensively...again watch the 3-peat years ...

    But whatever ...

    Like i said Rodman great player just not a HOF'er my standards higher and different than yours no harm, no foul Luva ...
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  19. 02-16-2010 #44
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    Oh and Alonzo was a way better defender especially when you compare late in their career ASK the Mavs in Game 6 ... LOL
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  20. 02-16-2010 #45
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    Oh and since awards matter Ben wallace is abetter defender thanb Rodman!!! (I dont believe that)
    but hey all we care about are stats and awards in the NBA forum ...
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  21. 02-16-2010 #46
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    Rodman was great BEFORE he won all those rebounding les. He was fantastic as a defender, and did all the necessary dirty work, but after he got obsessed with getting rebounds, he hung around the basket, doing nothing else.
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  22. 02-16-2010 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambchang
    Rodman was great BEFORE he won all those rebounding les. He was fantastic as a defender, and did all the necessary dirty work, but after he got obsessed with getting rebounds, he hung around the basket, doing nothing else.
    EXACTLY my point REBOUNDING does not = GREAT DEFENSE ...

    Here are the top rebounders in the NBA ...WHo are GREAT defenders?

    Dwight? Yes
    Camby? No (a good defender now, was GREAT when younger)
    Noah? Yes
    AL Jeff? No
    ZBO? No
    Dirk? No
    Boozer? No
    Lee? No
    Wallace? Yes
    Duncan? No (see Camby)
    Haywood? No (but very good )

    Rebounding does not equal GREAT defense I SAID ALREADY he was an ELITE rebounder ...
    Now if you add rebounds with steals or blocks that is a BETtER indicator

    AGAIN rodman was a great rebounder good overall player and a very good defender but HIGHLY overrated defender ...
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  23. 02-16-2010 #48
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    Lol at Kobe being on any great defensive team. He's a average to good defender right now. When he wants to, he might be able to lock someone down. He's vastly overrated on D.
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  24. 02-17-2010 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakaluva
    You standards sure may be different, but they sure aren't higher.

    Rodman led the league for 7 seasons in rebounding. Theser are during the years of Shaq, Barkely, Malone, Hakeem, Mourning, Ewing, Robinson, and I'm sure there are more.

    Mourning led the league in rebounding 0 times.

    Rodman was 1st team all defensive 7 times

    Mourning 2.
    Cooper 5.
    Battier 0
    Dennis Johnson 6

    NowI actually watch the game with a coach's eyes not stat geek or fantasy nerd eyes ...
    Please, share with us your standards. It can't be stats.
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  25. 02-17-2010 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakaluva
    Stop it, you starting to look stupid.
    Starting?
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