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    People voted for hope, change, bipartisanship and all the intangibles that were the central part of Obama platform. Obama was always way more popular than his policies - even now when he isn't that popular any more.

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    Bayh was a shadow of his famous liberal father, Birch Bayh.
    Were you around when Birch Bayh didn't get re-elected? Quayle destroyed him because of his liberal voting record. Evan Bayh would have never been elected in the 1st place if he had hold his father political positions.

    Bayd is a DINO, or blue-dog democrat whose wife is a big-wig in the poor health-care industry that evil dems want to try and control....even if a Republican were to win Bayd seat it would not make a huge difference from Bayh, only the (D) will change to (R)...which explains the GOP love for Bayh in this forum
    Bayh talked a lot, but he was a reliable democrat in the Senate. You probably don't know his voting record too well.

    Plus, if you think that his replacement will be more liberal - even if it's a Democrat - you're into a huge disappointment.


    ..Bayh rails about the ineffectiveness in Washington all the while being a major contributor to negating the elected will of the people who elected him...good riddance!
    Really? I thought Bayh was pretty popular among his cons uents.
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    Extremist tilt of Democrats causes moderate Senator to retire.
    Well, this was half of it. He just tired of the monkeys flinging poo at the zoo. Monkeys from both sides, I might add.

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    People voted for hope, change, bipartisanship and all the intangibles that were the central part of Obama platform. Obama was always way more popular than his policies - even now when he isn't that popular any more.
    I thought you said voters aren't stupid. I guess they indeed are when you're trying to make a different point.

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    He's just running for president as an "outsider" now.

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    I thought you said voters aren't stupid. I guess they indeed are when you're trying to make a different point.
    How so? Are you saying that Obama didn't run on that platform and didn't present himself as a conciliator that would heal Washington and deliver bipartisanship consensus on the biggest issues? Didn't he present himself as a fiscally concious democrat who would tackled down the deficit?

    So far, he's done the exact opposite of what he promised.

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    How so? Are you saying that Obama didn't run on that platform and didn't present himself as a conciliator that would heal Washington and deliver bipartisanship consensus on the biggest issues? Didn't he present himself as a fiscally concious democrat who would tackled down the deficit?
    I missed that part on his campaign. I do remember him talking about ending wars, and a public health option that would actually be paid for.

    Actually, I think it was Palin the one that spearheaded the 'same old Washington' meme, IIRC.

    So far, he's done the exact opposite of what he promised.
    I definitely agree with you on that.

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    How so? Are you saying that Obama didn't run on that platform and didn't present himself as a conciliator that would heal Washington and deliver bipartisanship consensus on the biggest issues? Didn't he present himself as a fiscally concious democrat who would tackled down the deficit?

    So far, he's done the exact opposite of what he promised.
    You're right about the concillatory and bipartisan talk, but I don't remember him saying much of anything with regards to fiscal responsibility. His campaign was pretty much just "not bush" and a bunch of "hope and change" warm fuzzies.

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    I hear Bayh's wife is on the board of Wellpoint.
    No surprise he voted against a public option.

    He's no moderate. He just another venal asshole in the pocket of the corporations.

    Any bets that his main lobbying area will be pimping BigPharma and BigHealthInsurance?

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    ...the real Bayh...

    The mainstream media has been giving Evan Bayh a big fat sloppy kiss for the last 24 hours. Every single story is about how moderate and centrist and independent he is. Golly gee willikers, Evan Bayh is such a pure and innocent person and he just couldn't take the corruption of Congress anymore. He was so fed up with the partisanship and like any great man decided he must strike out on his own and leave DC.

    Come on, are these people this naïve or do they have a stake in this? Do you really think Evan Bayh only has pure motivations and was the last good man in Washington. This is absolutely absurd and on many fronts the exact opposite of the truth. No one made a deal with corporate lobbyists faster than Evan Bayh did. He wasn't sick of the problems of DC, he was the problem of DC.

    Bayh masked his craven capitulation to corporate lobbyists with a veneer of bipartisanship and moderation. If he sold out to enough special interests, he could claim that he was on both sides. But the one side he was never against was business interests that fed him his campaign cash.

    So, he is a typical fake politician; I get that and I can live with it. What bothers me is how the media plays along. They have been running a giant ad for Evan Bayh's future political career or future lobbying career over the last couple of days. There is never a skeptical story about how Evan Bayh might be retiring to cash in on lobbyist money. And for those of you not familiar with the process - and apparently that's the entire DC media - the most powerful tool lobbyists have is the implied bribe that politicians get at the end of their career. If you play ball and do what you've been told, you're nearly guaranteed a multi-million dollar payoff at the end. Look at Tom Daschle, Gephardt, Billy Tauzin, Armey. This list goes on and on. Everybody gets rich, oh right, except the American people.

    Yet, not one knucklehead on TV has suggested that Bayh might be leaving to take the money. Instead they paint him as this hero of bipartisanship and moderation. It's a giant ad for Bayh. If he wanted to buy this much positive media coverage in the form of commercials, he'd have to spend nearly a billion dollars on every station in the country. Instead, the corporate media does him this favor as a going away present. And my guess is there will be nary a word when he resurfaces as a multi-million dollar corporate lobbyist in a little while. And then if he resurfaces in politics later, again the mention of his corporate ties will be glorified as the moves of a savvy businessman and the so-called moderate will ride back into town as a hero.

    If they're not doing this on purpose, then they are hideously misinformed about the process and grossly negligent in reporting the real facts of Washington. If they are doing it on purpose (not the television actors posing as news anchors, they have almost no idea, but the producers and executives that make decisions on news coverage), then we're all screwed. Everything is an illusion meant to mask the reality of corporate dominance over DC. If you play ball, you're a hero. If you don't, you're a fringe outsider (otherwise known to the rest of us as a real American). Corporate robots in the media supporting corporate robots in politics. I don't know why I ever get surprised by any of this.
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    Well, if duh daley cause seys it.

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    LOL @ he's no true Democrat.

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    Dems are dropping like flies but Obama marches forward. Good for him keeping that smile up.

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    It's amazing how the dems are turning on this guy. , he easily was in top 5 of running mates for Obama. 13 mil in the bank, up by double digits but decides to bail on his leader. Smart move!

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    It's amazing how the dems are turning on this guy. , he easily was in top 5 of running mates for Obama. 13 mil in the bank, up by double digits but decides to bail on his leader. Smart move!
    which dems are turning against obama jack? i guess using your loose logic then any republican who is retiring is abondoning the republican party..

    you have no idea what you're talking about ..

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    which dems are turning against obama jack? i guess using your loose logic then any republican who is retiring is abondoning the republican party..

    you have no idea what you're talking about ..
    You really do get confused easy. I'm talking about the dems in general turning against Bayh but since you asked, they are Obama too. Just look at his approval rating. Look at the folks already quiting such as Bayh. Look at Mass, New Jersey and Virginia. Obama states a year ago.

    Seriously, are you a republican? You can always get another troll or something. Are you really a republican acting dumb?

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    I wonder what's happening to all the career politicians. At first, I thought they lost national party support, and were told so. Then I thought the see the crystal ball, that they will not win in the next election. Now I think it's both.

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