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No, not at all. Just a different view perhaps of what they have and are thankful for. For some just living in this Country is reason enough to serve.
Oh it affects us on a much greater scale than what you realize. But of course you wouldn't realize it since you have the mind of a dumbass teenager. You really think that being engaged in war has no effect on the USA? Not even economically, politically or militarily? That doesn't even make sense.:ROLLEYES This is what I'm talking about. Acting like anything that they do has any bearing on what we do over hereIt's ridiculous and you all buy into it!
Makes even less sense when you consider that dip s such as yourself take this opportunity to attention and tell vets "sorry, no thanks you lazy idiots". Apparently what they do does have a "bearing" on what you do "here" since you feel a need to let Spurstalk know what you think about it
No, not at all. Just a different view perhaps of what they have and are thankful for. For some just living in this Country is reason enough to serve.
Well, back in my day I didn't get any bonus. I was happy with the t-shirt I got. Today bonuses are not uncommon and it as you well know other "employers" use bonuses all the time to get the best "recruits". It is after all just a job, no?
I think that generalizing the intent of individuals who join the military is wrong. The truth is that people from all socioeconomic classes join for all kinds of reasons.
The one thing to note is that the military life is not easy. It's filled with long hours, low pay (relative to responsibility and equivalent civilian job) and yes, the possibility of deployment to a war zone.
I'm not saying this to receive praise but to suggest that whatever the reason individuals have for joining, it soon becomes pretty clear that you really have to WANT this life. And to continue in it, usually there is foundation of serving something greater than your own self interest.
That's mostly why I disagree with the OP on his classification of military as stupid...and most certainly lazy. There are easier/lazier ways to earn a buck or get your college paid for.
Most I know are enlisted, but I've known and worked with E-1s to E-9s, O-1s to O-6s...so it pretty much crosses the spectrum.
No one said honor was the main reason it is one of the reasons just like lack of employment is one of the reasons, but in those cases where honor is a primary motivator I will answer your question.
It is because even smart productive people with honor like to have money too.
99% of America's future enlisted-men would LOVE to know more!
I'm sorry, I just had butterfly effect in my mind. What were you saying? You believe in butterfly effect? ROFLOh it affects us on a much greater scale than what you realize. But of course you wouldn't realize it since you have the mind of a dumbass teenager. You really think that being engaged in war has no effect on the USA? Not even economically, politically or militarily? That doesn't even make sense.
Makes even less sense when you consider that dip s such as yourself take this opportunity to attention and tell vets "sorry, no thanks you lazy idiots". Apparently what they do does have a "bearing" on what you do "here" since you feel a need to let Spurstalk know what you think about it
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I don't even understand why this thread was made but....someone said that we'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for WWII Vets. Well that's quite a leap of logic if you ask me. I doubt Hitler had the resources or the ability to control the entire European continent for more than a few years, let alone invade the United States and take it over. If anything the turning point in WWII was the Battle of Stalingrad..we should be thanking the Russians for that.
Regardless, I do agree that some military members act like you gotta suck them off whenever they come back. I remember some guy at a bar who my cousin accidently bumped into got his panties in a wad. He was a Marine who just got back from Iraq..and made it his business to tell us what he did and how many guys he killed in Iraq, like somehow we owed him something. Then he made the point to point at his tatoos on his shoulder and get all tough with us. My cousin even massaged his ego and said he appreciates the servicemen and the guy still wanted us to bow down to him.
I think some points are valid and some are not. There are some service members who feel they need to be catered to because of what they do. There are also some enlisted people who enlist because they have nothing better in their future, or who were given the option of the military or jail by a judge.
This can also happen with any of the s from Jersey Shore. If anything this comment proves that there is a pretty good cross-section of the American society represented by the armed forces. s and all.
What if I said I worked on an early-warning air defense program designed to spot unauthorized, unidentified, or off-track airplanes...would you not consider that as having an impact?:ROLLEYES This is what I'm talking about. Acting like anything that they do has any bearing on what we do over here
You're operating from a position of ignorance, so I don't blame you for making brash generalizations on the mission or the people. But I think I'm going to spend my time elsewhere.
It sounds to me like many feel that serving in the military is for those with "nothing better to do" or they have no other future and while that may true of some I don't find that to be the norm. I hate it when someone says of someone who joins the service.."What a waste.." like it is bad for someone with a 4.0 GPA and honor student to join the military or to give up an NFL career and serve because they had nothing better to do. I just don't get it.
Oh thats right, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan only have a 'butterfly effect' on the USA politically, economically, and militarily.
Their service also somehow has a 'butterfly effect' on you posting trolling with nothing of substance to reinforce your petty "arguments".
burger king grillers don't get respect so you on enlisted men?
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op, seriously, keep your ing thanks. i dont need to hear you say "thank you" to validate what i do. its ungrateful s like you who benefit from what i have done in my short 8 yrs in the military. if you think its "just a job" i challenge you to reach in ur pants, grab what little sack you have and come do what i do as "just a job". if not STFU and continue sucking at the teat of America and do nothing to change and/or protect the country you live in. its ignorant people like yourself who have no idea what it really means to be in the military or why people joined the military. i know your gonna ask so here it is. i joined the military as a means to get an education and CONTRIBUTE to the American society. i originally planned to get out after my first enlistment of six years. after being to Iraq, Afghanistan and numerous other poor countries around the world, i realized this thing you call a "job" is much bigger than me. i pulled my head out of my ass (something you srsly need to think about doing), and understood why i am where i am. which is that all important do ent called the cons ution and what it stands for. THAT is why i am here. THAT is what i defend day in and day out. 365 24/7. i know it has been stated in this thread already, but the life you enjoy today and the freedoms u enjoy would not be here without the people who do this "job". so again, keep your thanks and please by all means go ahead and use your FREEDOM to bash my post and do whatever it is you do on a daily basis that provides you the opportunities you have in your life.
I think America just has an extreme hard on for the military and I just don't understand why. I personally think there are people who do jobs that are almost as dangerous as our military does..IE NGO workers in war zones, or people in Africa working with the UN, or the Peace Corps. But nobody ever says they appreciate what they do.
I'm sure they get paid just as little or less than the military does. And they don't do it for their country. I don't know what they do it for really. I could be wrong though.
And the troops have any effect on the wars in Iraq and afghanistan that have an effect on the USA politically, econimically, and militarily? The troops are merely replaceable parts to the American military machine. One part is worn out, broken, or dead? Just replace it. You're trying to magnify the significance of a single enlisted person, and it just doesn't work.Oh thats right, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan only have a 'butterfly effect' on the USA politically, economically, and militarily.
Their service also somehow has a 'butterfly effect' on you posting trolling with nothing of substance to reinforce your petty "arguments".
Of course the troops have an effect on wars...they're the ones fighting it ya dumbass.
Now instead of generalizing the entire enlisted military you're focusing on the significance of a single enlisted person? Your dumb is all over the place but at least its a half step above from talking about butterflies. And yea, every single enlisted person is important especially those that go well beyond the call of duty.
And unless you're a god damn multi-billionaire we're all "replaceable parts" of the world. Lets take it even further, maybe a pretty picture will entertain your feeble mind:
You aRe the one trying to argue for the significance of a single enlisted person. My original argument was lost on all you butt hurt "vets" crying about how you should be held in higher regard and how what you do IS special. I've maintained from the beginning that you are as important to out society as trash men. Do you disagree???
You are the one calling them lazy or stupid. Get in there and restore the military to what it "once meant".
Whoops, cats out of the bag
No I said so what if they enlist for a paycheck and followed up with who are you to say that a person can't be poor AND patriotic.
No I am not afraid, I even said that they probably DO it for the paycheck.
No, I am asking who cares? Say you find out why each and every person enlists then what? What do you get out of it? What exactly does it do for you? So they do it for a paycheck and our country has a group of people whose job it is to defend whenever the need arises.
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