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Hence 101A's 'this could be Obama's Mission Accomplished' moment.
Between that and this any boasting about the success of the stimulus program runs a high risk of backfiring.
Hence 101A's 'this could be Obama's Mission Accomplished' moment.
LOL@ Stimulus fixed the economy
LOL@ Obama saving us from the 2nd great depression...THE GREAT DEPRESSION
LOL@ still campaigning
LOL@ only 7 percent americans thinking the stimulus bill created jobs
LOL@ Obama telling us to pass this bill now or we will go above 8 percent unemployment.
LOL@ Obama dems!
Hence my response to 101A earlier in this thread where I agreed with him.
"Glass Stengal repeals passed with overwhelming democratic support and were signed by a democratic president."
Repugs controlled Congress. Clinton was beaten to a pulp by Repug witch hunting. The Dems went along with the G-S repeal, like they did with the Iraq war, but it was the Repugs who iniatiated and wrote the bills (esp sneaking in the "forbid regulation of derivatives market")
The Dems (and esp not ACORN) didn't force any bank or non-bank lender to make any mortgage payments. Just like the lenders wanted to lend and did, they don't want to lend now because the federal mortgage requirements are being enforced now, but not under the "free market" business friendly Repugs.
"Nor does anything in your rant illustrate how government action alone can eliminate economic cycles"
BFD, straw man. I didn't say the govt could, only that govt actions could mitigate the peaks and troughs, which is what Magic Negro has been trying to do with counter-cyclical govt deficits. Now, GFY.
So if the republicans controlled congress back then don't they deserve the credit for that quarter trillion dollar surplus you brought up earlier? What say you, you hypocrite?
So you're admitting I'm right. The economy is beyond the government's control. I'm glad we've got that settled."Nor does anything in your rant illustrate how government action alone can eliminate economic cycles"
BFD, straw man. I didn't say the govt could, only that govt actions could mitigate the peaks and troughs, which is what Magic Negro has been trying to do with counter-cyclical govt deficits. Now, GFY.
which poll is that jack? I heard on Fox news this morning about this poll..I'm assuming you aren't parroting what you've heard so let us know which poll you are referring to..
"So if the republicans controlled congress back then don't they deserve the credit for that quarter trillion dollar surplus you brought up earlier"
they weren't running the govt, were they? Repugs don't govern government, they misgovern, seen over the 8 years of Repug _EXEC_.
"economy is beyond the government's control"
straw man. I didn't say that. I said government polices influence/mitigate economic cycles.
Repugs, Exec + Congress, ran up huge REPUG deficits (which they now say are bad) by
1) two bull wars
2) tax cuts of a few $T ($800B alone for super-wealthy's estate tax cuts)
while there was a net loss in jobs (income taxes) on their watch.
haven't you heard?
he doesn't cruise for polls.
he cruises for poles.
Evidently you think they were running enough of the government to get glass steagle repeals pushed through. Those poor democrats were all just so overwhelmed and made to be unwilling accomplices, or so your story goes. Yet when the topic changes to budget surpluses, all of a sudden all that republican influence seems to just magically disappear. Interesting.
Right. I'm the one that said the economy is beyond the government's control. You deliberately quoted my statement and said "not true". Now you're backtracking."economy is beyond the government's control"
straw man. I didn't say that. I said government polices influence/mitigate economic cycles.
blah blah blah repugs blah blah blah magic negro blah blah blah banksters blah blah blah...............Repugs, Exec + Congress, ran up huge REPUG deficits (which they now say are bad) by
1) two bull wars
2) tax cuts of a few $T ($800B alone for super-wealthy's estate tax cuts)
while there was a net loss in jobs (income taxes) on their watch.
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It's common knowledge Obama said the unemployment rate would not go above 8.5 if we passed this stimulus bill. Common knowledge that Obama said "No Earmarks" and he had over 8,000 in it. Common knowledge he said he saved us from a depression. A ING DEPRESSION! It's common knowledge we lost 4 million jobs but he says he created or saved 2,000,000 but his own website says 500,000. I think HIS speaker said 1 million Sunday. All bull .
He is still campaigning. The liar said again, just last week, he wants to work with the repugs but this morning he is making fun of them, laughing at them. Obama is the joke.
Son, read a newspaper, watch C-Span,CNN, NBC,ABC,FOX, listen to a radio show, talk to your friends,talk to co-workers, search the web. This is not made up , son. Sure you will have shows favor one over the other but eventually most of this stuff gets covered. It's no secret he is a liar. It's no secret he claims how great his stimulus package is working. It's not secret most people don't believe him. It's no secret Obama is losing his strong hold on america.
LOL@ George... He is soooooo confused!
Democrat Senator Bayh said he would work until the last minute he is in office. If he can create 1, that's ONE job, that will be more than Obama has created in 6 months!!!!
Oh yeah, the stimulus bill was a HUGE success!
any luck, jack?
Republicans don't give a about the 9.7% unemployment rate, nor the human face behind that stat, , they want to cut their benefits....all they really care about is that they think they can make it stick against Obama...
We know jack..you'd vote for a liar to beat the liar..but,but,but you hate liars..It's common knowledge Obama said the unemployment rate would not go above 8.5 if we passed this stimulus bill. Common knowledge that Obama said "No Earmarks" and he had over 8,000 in it. Common knowledge he said he saved us from a depression. A ING DEPRESSION! It's common knowledge we lost 4 million jobs but he says he created or saved 2,000,000 but his own website says 500,000. I think HIS speaker said 1 million Sunday. All bull .
He is still campaigning. The liar said again, just last week, he wants to work with the repugs but this morning he is making fun of them, laughing at them. Obama is the joke.
Son, read a newspaper, watch C-Span,CNN, NBC,ABC,FOX, listen to a radio show, talk to your friends,talk to co-workers, search the web. This is not made up , son. Sure you will have shows favor one over the other but eventually most of this stuff gets covered. It's no secret he is a liar. It's no secret he claims how great his stimulus package is working. It's not secret most people don't believe him. It's no secret Obama is losing his strong hold on america.
LOL@ George... He is soooooo confused!
jack since i like you so much i am going to fill you in on something..come real close so no one else hears..the economy is going to get better in '10 and Obama is going to get credit....
no one is saying we are out of the woods, but at least we can see the trail now, and it's not tax-cuts and more corporate deregulation....
...the trickle down, rising tide lifts all boats philosophy has proven to be a complete failure, but that's exactly what the GOP wants to do...
See, Republicans love income redistribution, as long as its from the bottom-up...As a record amount of US citizens are struggling to get by, many of the largest corporations are experiencing record-breaking profits, and CEO's are receiving record-breaking bonuses. How could this be happening, how did we get to this point?
The Economic Elite have escalated their attack on US workers over the past few years, however, this attack began to build intensity in the 1970s. In 1970, CEOs made $25 for every $1 the average worker made. Due to technological advancements, production and profit levels exploded from 1970 - 2000. With the lion's share of increased profits going to the CEO's, this pay ratio dramatically rose to $90 for CEOs to $1 for the average worker.
As ridiculous as that seems, an in-depth study in 2004 on the explosion of CEO pay revealed that, including stock options and other benefits, CEO pay is more accurately $500 to $1.
Paul Buchheit, from DePaul University, revealed, "From 1980 to 2006 the richest 1% of America tripled their after-tax percentage of our nation's total income, while the bottom 90% have seen their share drop over 20%." Robert Freeman added, "Between 2002 and 2006, it was even worse: an astounding three-quarters of all the economy's growth was captured by the top 1%." .......(more)
LOL...
It's even worse, because the banner was for that Aircraft Carrier's mission. Mot the war. In this case, the democrats are declaring the stimulus worked.
How does creating more government worker jobs help the economy when it's going to require even more tax revenue to support them?
No .
I'll bet the economy would have been better if our government said "No stimulus" and "no changes in the tax code."
Then, businesses would know how to calculate the future of their companies, and not be scare to put people back to work.
From you and other kool-aid drinkers. The smart peeps are going to continue to vote him out. Mass,Virginia, New Jersey and come November, every other state. Then we will really get this country moving into the right direction!!!! A real change is coming, full of hope!the economy is going to get better in '10 and Obama is going to get credit....
The same way Reagan did perhaps?How does creating more government worker jobs help the economy when it's going to require even more tax revenue to support them?
More jobs = more taxes...
...less jobs = less taxes...
..less jobs = more costs..
59 to 41...Scoreboard!From you and other kool-aid drinkers. The smart peeps are going to continue to vote him out. Mass,Virginia, New Jersey and come November, every other state. Then we will really get this country moving into the right direction!!!! A real change is coming, full of hope!
Obama is more Reagan than Reagan..
PollsterI've been struck for some time by the similarity of cir stance between Presidents Reagan and Obama. Both replaced deeply unpopular predecessors. Both enjoyed significant gains for their party in both houses of Congress. Both faced "worst since the depression" economic cir stances. And each in his own very different ways attempted to reshape government in the early months in office.
With a bit more than 10 months of approval data on Obama, we can now make a more meaningful comparison than was possible at the first 100 days look.
The similarity of approval trajectories is striking for Reagan and Obama. Reagan started lower, but since the 3rd month of office the two have moved along quite similar paths.
Of the ten post-war presidents in the chart, Reagan and Obama currently stand as the two lowest at this point in their first term. (Clinton fell lower early, but was recovering at this point before another decline and rise.) Reagan finished as the second lowest just before his midterm in 1982, ahead of only Truman. It happens that the economy under Reagan also bottomed out in November 1982, the worst possible time for the president and his party.
(I exclude Johnson because of his entry into office after Kennedy's midterm and Ford because he took office just 3 months before the 1974 mid-term. I keep Truman because he assumed the presidency very early in Roosevelt's fourth term, effectively serving the full term.)
Whether Obama continues to look like Reagan seems to me more likely to be driven by the same force-- the economy. While health care reform and Afghanistan will surely play a role in the public's view of Obama, I think the economy remains the most crucial driver of opinion. In this the administration can hope that the upturn in GDP in the third quarter, and the small down-tick in unemployment in November, are signals that the early quarters of 2010 will see further improvements. If so, the Democrats may avoid the terrible conjunction of midterm and economic bottom that cost Republicans 26 seats in the 1982 House elections. And President Obama may not compete with Reagan to see which will be the second most unpopular president at midterm time. But there are no guarantees of this and the parallels remain quite striking.
The people paid to see the Lakers not the Grizzlies and they listened to folks like Tim Donaghy. They will get it right in the end. Mass sure did, just in time too! Scoreboard!59 to 41...Scoreboard!
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Reagan said govt. is the problem. BHO said the economy will only recover with the govt's help.
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