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    Seeing as how the asset value the Bulls got in return for Salmons was basically nothing more than expiring contracts (Alexander+Warrick), it's hard to understand WHY the Spurs and Bulls couldn't strike a deal.

    Could it be the Spurs were trying to low-ball the Bulls?

    This is just speculation, but knowing the Spurs were also in talks with the Heat on a possible trade, maybe the Spurs felt they had an inside track on dumping their player (Mason) in exchange for a trade exception? In essence, they were trying to simply sell one of their own players for cash, without having to take back a player at all.

    Either way, it sucks!
    I wouldn't even want Salmons for expirings. Taking on Salmons was supposed to be the "punishment" that allowed a team to get Tyrus Thomas. Why take on what was widely assumed to be a negative asset for free?

    Secondly, even if the Spurs wanted to trade expirings for Salmons, Warrick and Alexander is a better combo than any expirings the Spurs have. Unless the Spurs were going to trade expirings and a pick for Salmons, I don't see how they could have surpassed Milwaukee's offer.

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    Seeing as how the asset value the Bulls got in return for Salmons was basically nothing more than expiring contracts (Alexander+Warrick), it's hard to understand WHY the Spurs and Bulls couldn't strike a deal.
    It's easy to understand. They didn't want a 30 yr old, league average, wing player to take up a 5.8M slot in their salary structure next season.

    Even if they spend at the same level next year, there will be an upper limit on spending. When you compare the known obligations to the upper budget limit, you probably get a number somewhere south of 20M to fill out the roster through trades, resignings, and new FA signings. It is easy to understand how spending 5.8M on Salmons might not fit.

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    I wouldn't even want Salmons for expirings. Taking on Salmons was supposed to be the "punishment" that allowed a team to get Tyrus Thomas. Why take on what was widely assumed to be a negative asset for free?

    Secondly, even if the Spurs wanted to trade expirings for Salmons, Warrick and Alexander is a better combo than any expirings the Spurs have. Unless the Spurs were going to trade expirings and a pick for Salmons, I don't see how they could have surpassed Milwaukee's offer.
    Don't see why so many are down on Salmons. He's a productive 2-3 player, good scorer and defender. He's certainly more productive than the tandem of Finley/Mason and the Spurs could use such a player going into next season.

    That said, it's hard to figure if the Spurs are buyers, sellers or a little bit of both.

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    I wouldn't even want Salmons for expirings. Taking on Salmons was supposed to be the "punishment" that allowed a team to get Tyrus Thomas. Why take on what was widely assumed to be a negative asset for free?

    Secondly, even if the Spurs wanted to trade expirings for Salmons, Warrick and Alexander is a better combo than any expirings the Spurs have. Unless the Spurs were going to trade expirings and a pick for Salmons, I don't see how they could have surpassed Milwaukee's offer.
    I expected more out of Joe Alexander. He has great physical talents and was awesome in knocking Duke out of the tournament a couple years ago; he just hasn't gotten it together. I'd still say he's worth keeping an eye on.

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    The Spurs are done for this year. I am convinced of that. No trade can fix the maniacal coaching that shows no end in sight.

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    It's easy to understand. They didn't want a 30 yr old, league average, wing player to take up a 5.8M slot in their salary structure next season.

    Even if they spend at the same level next year, there will be an upper limit on spending. When you compare the known obligations to the upper budget limit, you probably get a number somewhere south of 20M to fill out the roster through trades, resignings, and new FA signings. It is easy to understand how spending 5.8M on Salmons might not fit.


    Thanks for tempering some of the emotions in here.

    I'm amazed how starry-eyed some folks got over Salmon, but leaving that to the side, the financial weren't ever going to allow the Spurs to add more salary for next year (unless of course they want to jeopardize bringing Manu/Splitter, or if they're OK paying more in luxury tax).

    , even if the Spurs were to bring in TT the team is very worried about adding his salary next year. That's the whole point of the rumors we've heard respecting Dice.

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    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...and-harrington

    Talking Salmons, Robinson and Harrington

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    Checking in from Madison Square Garden, where Nate Robinson is not in the building (he had flu-like symptoms that sent him to the hospital late Monday) as the Knicks continued their discussions with Boston. As Marc Stein noted an hour ago, John Salmons is not here either, as the Bulls apparently have a deal in place. "There are a lot of things that as an organization we're working on, and John Salmons will not be playing. There's things that I'm not at liberty to say," coach Vinny Del Negro said.

    The Bulls had been in discussions with the Spurs on a deal that would have sent Salmons to San Antonio for Roger Mason and Matt Bonner, but those talks died.

    Chicago has been eager to move Salmons, who has a player option for this season at $5.8 million, for an expiring contract or contracts to clear additional cap space for next summer.

    There also was talk at the Garden that the Knicks were discussing a trade with the Bulls that would send Al Harrington to Chicago, with Harrington possibly being rerouted to a third team.

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    The Bulls had been in discussions with the Spurs on a deal that would have sent Salmons to San Antonio for Roger Mason and Matt Bonner, but those talks died.
    Of course the talks would die, the Spurs are not as dumb as the Bucks FFS, no way they do that trade without TT being involved.

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    Al Harrington to Bulls ... --- If they want to do it, but it can't help much. He can get stats but does nothing much to win games.

    John Salmons --- people fell for him simply because it was an action. There's a common thought that what ails this team can be fixed in tinkering. He's a nice player, but not at that price.

    Trading --- Our trade happened in the offseason. We went for broke with Jefferson and bringing McDyess in. Neither has quite worked out.

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    The Chicago Bulls and Milwaukee Bucks were nearing completion of the John Salmons trade Thursday morning. However, although the early word last night was that the Bucks would send Kurt Thomas and Francisco Elson to the Bulls, sources close to the process told ESPN.com this morning that there is a "90 percent chance" Milwaukee sends Chicago Joe Alexander and Hakim Warrick instead.

    Why the change? Last night the Bucks were also exploring an alternative deal that would send Warrick to another team. However, those talks began to fizzle as the night wore on. If they heat back up today, then the Bucks can still insert Thomas and Elson (if necessary) back into the Salmons deal.

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    The Bobcats, determined to add an athletic big man to their front court, are close to landing Tyrus Thomas in a deal with the Bulls that would send expiring contracts and a future No. 1 pick to Chicago, a person with knowledge of the situation told CBSSports.com.

    While the source cautioned that the details were still being resolved and that the deal was pending final approval, it appears that Thomas will secure his exit from Chicago. The Bobcats would then have the rest of the season to evaluate the soon-to-be restricted free agent and decide whether to commit to him long-term. Trading Thomas spares the Bulls the embarrassment of losing one of their best players through free agency with no compensation for the second year in a row.

    If successful in landing Thomas, Charlotte would cir vent discussions between the Knicks and Bulls involving a swap centered around Al Harrington.
    http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...38893/20119740

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    great, the only other player available I was interested in trading for, the only thing now that would get me excited for the season would be something involving Haslem/Wright or Iggy/Dalembert

    funny how this season started so promising and is turning into a complete disaster

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    Sources say that Knicks-Bulls talks on Tyrus Thomas trade have lost traction. "A long shot now," one official says.

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    Damn...it feels like the Bulls have talked to every team in the league.

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    If the Bobcats are offering expirings and a first rounder, that trumps what the Spurs can offer.

    Got damn it. Bonner and Bogans 4 life.

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    Between Berger reporting the Charlotte deal and Wojo saying the deal with NY/Houston is almost dead it looks like the Bobcats will be Thomas' new home.

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    If the Bobcats are offering expirings and a first rounder, that trumps what the Spurs can offer.

    Got damn it. Bonner and Bogans 4 life.
    Agreed.

    There is still the opportunity for a couple swing-for-the-fences type deals, with Amare and Murphy still available...but I'm not sure the Spurs FO has it in them, given how the last "major" trade has turned out so far.

    Looks like this is the team to roll with.

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    I thought Bruno said that the Bobcats couldn't offer a first round pick . . . . .

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    Sources say Cha is likeliest destination for Bulls' Ty Thomas right now, in exchange for expiring contracts. Flip Murray/Acie Law works.

    Deal would be Thomas for Law, Murray and protected future 1st-round pick. Not done, but other suitors for Ty believe it will happen.

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    @RicBucher

    Sources say Cha is likeliest destination for Bulls' Ty Thomas right now, in exchange for expiring contracts. Flip Murray/Acie Law works.

    Deal would be Thomas for Law, Murray and protected future 1st-round pick. Not done, but other suitors for Ty believe it will happen.

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    Guess we should all just try to suck it up and get used to the elite Bonner and Bogans starting line up.

    IT will be hard for sure...

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    Spurs trumped again.

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    I thought Bruno said that the Bobcats couldn't offer a first round pick . . . . .
    They don't have their 2010 pick, so they can't offer their 2011 pick.

    They can offer a 2012 pick.

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    Our front office is easily one of the most stubborn in the league.

    At times being stubborn is great and some other times its downright stupid..

    Standing pat was the worst option for this franchise.

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    If this is a player that the FO has coveted and they feel can really help the team - GO GET HIS ASS! - within reason of course.

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