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Bulls could care less about Law and Murray. They could have included me and you in the deal and they would have agreed as long as that 1st rounder was included.
Spurs had no sweetners outside of the expiring deals.
It's like with the Thomas trade...Bobcats had more attractive young pieces AND a first round pick.
He seems to be the only one the Spurs considered that would improve their chances.
Bulls could care less about Law and Murray. They could have included me and you in the deal and they would have agreed as long as that 1st rounder was included.
OK, then who gave up a quality player for only 13 million in expiring contracts? Are you telling me that you think the Spurs hung up the phone when teams were calling them begging for their capspace?
Spurs aren't rebuilding. They may not be a top 3 team, but they're far from the bottom and there's still 1/3 of the season to be played.
I don't think the Spurs "missed out" as much as they got outbid, because they weren't willing to give up on their current young talent (Blair, Hill) or potential future young talent (picks).
I wonder how much money the league is paying the Spurs to NOT be contenders for the le?
OK...now that I've got that premiscuity off my chest....
....at least the team is now 2 mill less committed than they were 24 hours ago.
WOO HOOO. Exactly what the fan base was hoping for.
Sounds an awful lot like the Spurs are entering that dreaded zone where you don't want your team to be: a roster comprised of older, expensive and mediocre or underachieiving talent. This is not a place you want to be.
When investing in younger talent, at least you have a team of energy, potential, upside and cheap contracts.
Goodbye championship contention. o "treadmill of mediocrity"
And if I gave you the choice between a first round pick from SA (if that was even offered) and a first round pick from Charlotte, what would you pick?
I'm gonna say all NBA GMs would go with Charlotte...and Chicago's did.
The pick Spurs got is a top 55 protected 2016 second round pick.
It also seems that Spurs haven't send cash.
Last edited by Bruno; 02-18-2010 at 08:37 PM.
What part of "Charlotte's first round pick is at LEAST 5 spots ahead of ours" do you not understand?
A 2nd round Pick in 2016..... Tony parker might be retired by then.......
how bout you post something else besides "FO is great, what a great job" and put down the pompoms for a hot second.
That's some Rasual Butler right there.
i wait all dayto get home and check what happened...and we just dumped Theo? for nothing? one of our precious few defensive bigs?
i dont ing understand this organization anymore. they draft mahinmi and keep him around for years, only to NEVER pla/develop him eevn when he could be what the team has needed most that last couple years.
then we sign Ratliff to help provide what this team desperately needs...and proceed to NEVER play him, then just dump him. and get nothing i return.
man this stupid .
LOL. wow.
By the way, I'm totally fine with a Ratliff salary dump. Not that Mahinmi is going to play major minutes, but at least Pop has no other garbage time options now.
The Spurs gave up on the 2010 plan for the 2016 plan...cool
No, I'm telling you that we had nearly $13 million in expiring contracts and that should have been enough to make a trade with teams looking for relief, IF the Spurs actually wanted to take on more salary after this season.
That's the thing though, I don't think the Spurs believe they'll be contending this season, so there's no reason to add up more salary. Dumping Ratliff points to that too. I'm sure they rather have those $13 million in flexibility for the summer, and see what kind of team they can put together for next season.
Furthermore, you proceed to claim that:
How so? If $13 million is not enough to make a move, how is $15 million any different?
fail. way to give on this season RC.
The FO didn't give up. The trading of Theo was just to open up a spot for the one... The only...
LLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKEEEEE BONNER!!!!!!
But I hear there are some great 8th graders planning on going pro that year
$13 mil. in expirings plus Theo's $1 mil. = 14 mil. Can we buy out RJ next year?
Seriously, does it even matter... Ratliff's ass was stuck to the pine. He wasn't going to be playing anyway.
well, maybe we can trade Jefferson in the summer and re-sign Gino for cheap. If Parker plays in the summer he wont be 100% and he isnt gonna resign with us with a 36 year old Duncan and Old Ginobili. So we might as well see if we get anything in value for him and start the rebuilding process. This is our last shot this season IMO. I think I've found myself saying Duncan has 2 or 3 solid years left for the last 5 years. He is playing well still. There are so many negative possibilites after this year we are gonna have to make some tough decisions. If we lose Gino and Parker isn't 100% I can see Duncan wanting to be traded to a contender for one last run. He isnt going to want to sit around if we start rebuilding and I don't blame him. Hopefully we can get rid of Jefferson and save some cap, Parker doesnt play in the summer, and we sign Gino and another big peice for another last run next year and hold off the inevitable rebuilding process for another year. I will still root for my favorite team elite or not! GO SPURS!
That was the point right there.
I've had to counter many on this board who contend that "Tyrus Thomas isn't going to help the Spurs win a championship this year". Winning a le this year wasn't the point. That prospect went out the window the minute it became obvious that the offseason aquisitions (Dice & RJ) were big mistakes.
With that in mind, the FO should have aggressively upgraded the existing talent level by "flipping " those expiring contracts into young, developing assets that would accelerate the rebuilding process and prevent a total collapse. They should have been as aggressive about this as they were about adding free agents over the summer. Instead they did nothing, but dump the salary of a vet, who wasn't playing anyway.
And for those who say, "relax, don't be mad at Holt", I've got news for you. No one is mad at Holt. In fact, he should commended for originally agreeing to the "one for the thumb", 2-year, championship strategy for Duncan's golden years. From there, it was up to Pop and RC to make the correct personnel decisions. Unfortunately, they guessed wrong.
The fact of the matter is, I'm not even pissed at them for guessing wrong on RJ and Dice. I'm pissed at them because their lazy asses got gun-shy today and did nothing. I don't give a about what talks they may or may not have had. At the end of the day, the real question is 'did you get a deal done to upgrade the roster?' That's all that matters. Unfortunately for us fans and for the Big Three, that answer is NO.
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